January 19, 2025

Shame-Sex Attraction with Lucas Wilson

50 minutes

We are joined by author Lucas Wilson for this podcast episode to talk about his journey from being a former evangelical to a queer academic. Dr. Lucas Wilson is a SSHRC Postdoctoral Fellow at University of Toronto Mississauga, formerly the Justice, Equity, and Transformation Postdoctoral Fellow at University of Calgary. He is the editor of Shame-Sex Attraction: Survivors’ Stories of Conversion Therapy. He is currently working on two interrelated monograph projects that examine evangelical homophobia and transphobia in the U.S. discussing the intertwining of his faith and queer identity. In this conversation, he delves into the history and reality of conversion therapy, emphasizing the ongoing struggles faced by survivors. Lucas also reflects on the motivation behind his book, contrasting his academic work with personal narratives, and highlights common themes such as shame and secrecy in the stories of conversion therapy survivors. Our discussion aims to raise awareness about the continued existence of conversion therapy practices, despite legal prohibitions. Lucas also highlights the importance of sharing queer stories and finding hope beyond the struggles faced in high-control religious environments.

Takeaways

Luke identifies as an ex-vangelical and conversion therapy survivor.

His academic work focuses on queer history and the New Christian Right.

Conversion therapy is often misunderstood as only occurring in specific settings.

The term ‘conversion practices’ encompasses a broader range of experiences.

Many queer individuals have undergone some form of conversion practices.

Shame is a central theme in the experiences of conversion therapy survivors.

Secrecy and silence are prevalent in the narratives of those affected.

Luke’s book aims to shed light on the ongoing reality of conversion therapy.

The collection includes diverse stories from various queer identities.

Despite legal bans, conversion therapy practices continue to exist underground. Conversion therapy is a complex issue with many personal stories.

Shame can persist even after leaving high-control religious groups.

Academia can provide a space for critical thinking and self-discovery.

Understanding Christian theology is essential to grasping US politics.

The influence of evangelicalism on contemporary issues is significant.

Stories of conversion therapy survivors often highlight resilience and hope.

Not all stories have neat, happy endings; discomfort is part of the journey.

Community support is crucial for those recovering from conversion therapy.

Future projects aim to amplify queer voices and experiences.

Personal joy can be found in simple pleasures, like enjoying grapes.

Chapters

(02:27) Faith and Queer Identity Intertwined

(08:42) Understanding Conversion Therapy

(12:51) The Motivation Behind the Book

(15:30) Contrasting Academic and Personal Narratives

(17:49) Common Themes in Conversion Therapy Stories

(22:08) The Ongoing Reality of Conversion Therapy

(23:07) The Impact of Conversion Therapy

(25:37) Shame and Self-Reflection

(26:07) Academic Awakening and Relearning

(30:20) The Role of Christian Theology in History

(31:52) Understanding Evangelical Influence on Politics

(38:41) Finding Hope Beyond Conversion Therapy

(43:27) Future Projects and Community Engagement

Resources:

Follow Lucas on social media:

IG: @lukeslamdunkwilson

Threads: @lukeslamdunkwilson

X/Twitter: @wilson_fw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-wilson-2a0753b1/

TikTok: @lukeslamdunkwilson

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/luke.wilson.96

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