In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich weigh in on a listener's question (shoutout Karissa!) about implementing 'bar raiser' interview programs at her Series D company. Are they worth the hype, or just an HR trend? Kelli and Nolan dig in.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:21) Implementing a bar raiser interview process

(00:57) Amazon's Bar Raiser Program

(01:36) Rebranding the "Bar Raiser" Process

(02:42) The Amazon Approach

(03:24) Avoiding Bias & Alternative Approaches

(04:46) DoorDash's Experience

(06:00) Challenges & Trade-offs

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(08:16) DoorDash's Shift From the "Bar Raiser" Program

(10:18) Alternatives & First Principles

(12:31) Addressing CEO Expectations

(13:25) Bias & Homogeneous Cultures

(14:44) The Role of CEOs & Founders

(15:19) Diligence & Feedback

(17:21) Going Slow to Go Fast

(18:17) Misaligned Expectations

(19:10) Start Small & Experiment

(19:33) Wrap

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