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Danté Stewart's book Shoutin' in the Fire: An American Epistle is one of the most stirring and powerfully written that we've encountered on the podcast. This conversation with him is comparable. He's engaging, funny, and erudite all at once, and he has critical things to teach the white church if we'll listen. He's also super well-read, and he wants you to be too. Here are the five authors/books he mentions in the episode:

• Robert Jones Jr. (The Prophets)
• Deesha Philyaw (The Secret Lives of Church Ladies)
• Kiese Laymon (Heavy)
• Jason Reynolds (Look Both Ways)
• Jesmyn Ward (Sing, Unburied, Sing)

This is one of those interviews that was so rich we had to trim it down significantly for time. If you want to hear the extra content that didn't make it into the episode--including a deep dive into the philosophy of Frantz Fanon, some reflections on the interview from Kyle and Randy, and more--subscribe to our Patreon (link below)!

The whisky we tasted in this episode is Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban.

To skip the tasting, go to 7:08.

You can find the transcript for this episode here.

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