This week with all of the heaviness with what's happening in Ukraine and a new world order taking shape, we wanted to give you a break from the stress of reality, and focus on fiction. What we're seeing today is something that no many of us could have written about a few months or even a few years ago. And a failure of imagination comes with a price. So I think you're going to find my conversation with author Mark Greaney as interesting as I did. Many of you already know Greaney as the author of the Gray Man series, and his latest book Sierra 6 is a well-written escape. If you follow Mark you also know that he wrote several books under the Tom Clancy name. In this episode we talked about what's happening in Ukraine right now, what inspires him as an author and how continues to find the energy and discipline to write two books per year.

I'm your host Suzanne Kelly, and this is the State Secrets Podcast.