Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Small Stocks, Big Upside


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Don and Tom highlight what may be today’s biggest stock market bargain: small-cap value stocks, which have drastically underperformed large-cap growth and now appear poised for long-term reversion to the mean. They explain why chasing big winners like Nvidia and Apple could backfire, and why broad diversification with a tilt toward small and value still makes sense. Callers get help with tax drag from old mutual funds, switching from expensive active funds to ETFs, household asset allocation, Roth conversions, and whether to sell a large single-stock inheritance. The show wraps with a well-deserved swipe at Jordan Belfort’s shameless self-promotion.

0:05 Don kicks things off with a musical flashback: The Who’s “Bargain” sets the tone for a segment on what may be today’s biggest investing bargain—small value stocks.

2:00 The S&P 500 has averaged 13.2% annually since 2014; small caps lag at 7.2%. Investors are fleeing small-cap ETFs just as they may be poised for reversion to the mean.

3:30 The top five stocks in the S&P 500 are now five times larger than the entire Russell 2000. That kind of imbalance can’t last forever.

5:08 Historically, small-cap value has outperformed large growth by ~4% annually over 100 years—yet most investors are overexposed to U.S. large-cap growth.

8:08 Instead of market timing, build a balanced portfolio based on your risk tolerance. Consider overweighting small and value, but don’t ditch large caps entirely.

9:23 Even the worst year for small caps (2008, -34%) wasn’t as bad as the S&P’s peak-to-trough crash (-57%). Diversification isn’t just smart—it’s safer.

10:23 For equity allocation: a 1/3 split between large U.S., small U.S., and international may be simple, but effective.

11:59 Eugene from Baltimore has a $5M+ portfolio generating massive taxable income. Don and Tom recommend municipal bonds and more tax-efficient ETFs.

17:45 Mutual fund to ETF conversions (like those offered by Vanguard and Dimensional) could reduce Eugene’s tax bill without triggering capital gains.

22:43 BJ from San Antonio holds a pricey Invesco fund (SMMIX) full of big tech—essentially a closet index fund with an 0.85% fee. Time to switch to low-cost, diversified ETFs.

25:38 Vanguard’s VUG offers the same exposure with more holdings and a 0.04% fee—plus it’s transparent, predictable, and consistent.

28:43 Ron in Lakeland wonders if he should copy his wife’s ETFs. If your household has a unified asset allocation plan, identical holdings across accounts are fine.

31:27 Jerry from Lacey, WA asks whether to keep doing Roth conversions or start Social Security now. Don and Tom advise continuing tax-efficient conversions, possibly up to the 22% bracket, but not beyond. Also watch out for income thresholds that affect benefits like the $6K tax rebate.

35:46 Sherry (dropped call) inherited $4M in Microsoft. Diversify! But do it with a tax strategy and professional help.

36:49 Don reacts to a nauseating LinkedIn post by Jordan Belfort, reminding us that glorifying financial predators only feeds industry corruption.

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