Rob and Vinnie continue their series on Church Health…and sometimes the lackthereof. In this episode, they ponder questions like: Can the congregation help reform an unhealthy church leadership? Should pastors view themselves as the “CEO”? 

 What about Matthew 18 and dealing with conflict? What is a better way of understanding this often-abused passage?

This is part of a multi-episode conversation where we talk about cultivating a healthy church environment and how to understand church hurt and church abuse. 

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Great Resources on the topic of Creating Healthy Churches

Forgive: Why Should I and How Can I? (Timothy Keller)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PQ9DSHF/?bestFormat=true&k=forgive%20time%20keller&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-bk-v2_k0_1_12_de&crid=1XUHTNIDQ6OST&sprefix=forgive%20time

A Church Called Tov (Scot McKnight)

https://www.amazon.com/Church-Called-Tov-Goodness-Promotes/dp/1496446003/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4lBAQzf3oJglpTj_7R8NbAeOg0H2oH4CTgx81Cm9okZZVtD9VFcS1uSUfVV2EQm5KZL1himBpHsyFB4D_Gifo4cf1QusTB-POg2TVGG7LdGmQvQa0IB928VE-Lzebn0QaYbWTVGVFLpXeUIBI_xAwisMWdvmpzjWJxaEPeX_KDzkLcEidFqxV9x2KN137nu9_VqW_lpT5_tSt6oq8-Jdy9yqaU0SHRxzumNuhx47RWQ.FqeuaDuA2RxUSi8NLD1Eu9aVNCvxijZDHQxchJMDJm0&qid=1772398542&sr=8-1

Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse--and Freeing Yourself from Its Power (Wade Mullens)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1496444701/ref=mes-dp?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=DfllH&content-id=amzn1.sym.476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_p=476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_r=0KK0SC6CEWNJ2Q64975X&pd_rd_wg=GCNhP&pd_rd_r=79c691b9-0dac-456b-bda2-afdb8d5268e5

When Narcissism Comes to Church (Chuck DeGroat)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1514005093/ref=mes-dp?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=zdSwU&content-id=amzn1.sym.476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_p=476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_r=WKKWWGSF6Y2GYRHQ8926&pd_rd_wg=mFZQA&pd_rd_r=a6182de3-e16f-4416-9ef7-e30aa5043369

When the Church Harms God’s People (Diane Langberg)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1587436450/ref=mes-dp?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=uVPPK&content-id=amzn1.sym.476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_p=476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_r=CAM1FBFN0J7Y0RS0HF0V&pd_rd_wg=KaJ0d&pd_rd_r=a0246e35-7d3f-4feb-89db-facae6fa4a8a

The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse (David Johnson & Jeff VanVonderen)

https://www.amazon.com/Subtle-Power-Spiritual-Abuse-Manipulation/dp/0764201379/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.gamBi63TclRIVPBxTv-pRuqjLaCH6zHxJg7mfafeeNQBvHmjWjEtqqHFSIN_1Lj7VWyTfWk3PpybZzNXngB61PQXnxSnfqwfEiGYLvolpnFi8EasbYpnJqtfKUbkk1ARz_KF4VVFTdbEaBTGSwwcfvaeU3_MIi3li7ZZ6--eqBOXWaM4f-sakjMeasOH23AhwB4GO4BQg8ffW7LrDWqxeqz_wcKGtWdyDGGWo8G8ixw.QTPRygGaPdlSZ2GR8GtEyG3rlxVNoI9q-tRr0tjybsI&qid=1773085465&sr=1-1

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