In this conversation, Bob interviews Brandon Collier, a lawyer and president of Collier & Associates, about the current state of DSOs and their impact on the dental profession. They discuss the historical context of DSOs, the pros and cons of selling to them, and the importance of protecting private practice. Collier shares insights on contract negotiations for new dentists and emphasizes the need for advocacy in favor of traditional dental practices. The discussion culminates in a proposal for a foundation aimed at promoting private practice and countering the influence of DSOs in dental education and practice.