When the world gets chaotic and uncertain, we need spiritual practice more than ever—not just to sustain our souls and restore our inner peace, but to recharge and prepare ourselves to take on challenges with effective action.

A few years ago, Philip Goldberg, the author of “Spiritual Practice in Crazy Times” and host of the Spirit Matters podcast. interviewed twelve spiritual leaders to help us get through the pandemic. We’re now re-releasing the interviews as an encore series, because the messages are as relevant today as when they first aired.

In this interview, the first of a 12 part series, Philip talks with poet, philosopher, and author Mark Nepo. Mark has written  23 books, including the bestseller, The Book of Awakening. He shares his hard-earned insights on  how to secure a foothold in the sanctuary that

resides within us.

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