Stacey Abrams is one of the highest profile democracy activists on the planet. She's also an entrepreneur, lawyer, novelist, and she nearly became the first Black woman to govern a state in the U.S.

In conversation with Aarti Shahani, Abrams opens up about her inner wiring. She says she writes novels in order to live the adventurous lives she cannot, she explains why neither victory nor defeat are permanent, and she reflects on her 2018 election loss.

"Crisis sometimes changes us, but more often it reveals us," she tells Shahani, "and my crisis was a revelatory moment."

How does Stacey Abrams recover from heartache? “Slowly.”

This episode was originally published on July 15, 2021.