In this episode of State of Choice, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Michael Torres, Director of Legislative Strategy at the Classic Learning Test (CLT), about how CLT is challenging the SAT and ACT by offering a liberal arts-based testing.

Torres shares the story of CLT’s founding, its rapid growth—especially after Florida’s adoption of the test—and ongoing efforts to expand into other states despite pushback. The conversation also explores the impact of standardized testing monopolies on education policy and curriculum, the importance of competition in testing, and CLT’s new initiative to create an alternative to Advanced Placement (AP) courses and exams.