This episode covers the importance of understanding business systems and management styles, particularly for small business owners starting and learning key business skills. In this conversation, Garry Ashton and Pres Madley explore Pres's journey from being a chef to a leader in the mining industry, and transitioning into coaching and business ownership. They discuss the challenges and lessons learned along the way, including the impact of a life-changing illness that shifted Pres's perspective on leadership and success.