Jay had the kind of white-light experience AA people whisper about, then spent 20 years learning that the real test was not the vision but the fruit.

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Jay S. digs into the idea of spiritual experience through the book that helped AA’s co-founder understand what had happened to him, the once-born and twice-born, sudden awakenings, gradual change, the Oxford Group, early AA figures, and the simple test of whether a life actually changes. The speaker traces how these ideas shaped Alcoholics Anonymous, then brings it home with his own experience of sitting in a room that seemed to disappear into white light, feeling a peace beyond words, and later realizing that the point was not having a dramatic experience but living as if it were true.

Jay S. from Redondo Beach, CA speaking on the topic of "Varieties of Spiritual Experiences - James, Jung, Shoemaker & You" in Indianapolis, IN - April 26th 2008