On this episode of Off the Cupp, S.E. talks with Bravolebrity, Carl Radke, one of the OG reality stars of Summer House. If you're a fan of the show then you've been with Carl on his journey through sobriety. It's no easy feat, getting and staying sober and then doing so on television. Carl takes S.E. back to his rock bottom and the work he put in to climb out. Carl shares what it's like to realize he's become a role model as well as the unease and responsibility he feels with that new stature. S.E. finds out more about Carl's revolutionary, soon-to-be, bar and cafe for mindful consumption — Soft Bar. 

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