Today we re-visit a yarn I had with a man, I feel like it’s fair to say, we all know and love - Sir John Kirwan.

JK had a remarkable rugby career as a World Cup winning All Black, played rugby league for the Auckland Warriors, has been a respected international coach, and of course is a major figure in Aotearoa as a mental health advocate. Being one of the first high profile New Zealanders, to talk about depression and mental health, JK plays a massive role in this space - he is remarkable to watch and learn from.

He also has a wine company, is an amazing TV Presenter and Rugby commentator, and really bloody fantastic man.

This podcast was EVERYTHING I needed to hear at the moment - so I best let him invoice me for one of the most valuable therapy sessions ever! Hope you get something from it too.