Get ready to laugh, cry, and go head-to-head with two of Australia's most loved comedians. 

Denise Scott and Matt Okine are Mother and Son (the remix). And as the second series comes to a close on ABC TV and ABC iview, I roped them in to Take 5.

A bit out of the ordinary, but oh boy, they embraced it. This is beautiful and hilarious Take 5, and you’re gonna walk away from it feeling all the richer.

Denise Scott and Matt Okine's song choices:

1. 1.Neil Young - 'Only Love Can Break Your Heart'
2. 2.Bruce Springsteen - 'Thunder Road'
3. 3.Jordie Lane - 'New Normal'
4. 4.Radiohead - 'Paranoid Android'
5. 5.Bag Raiders - 'Shooting Stars'

00:00 Introduction and Overview

00:14 Denise Scott's Journey in Comedy

00:37 Mother and Son Reboot

00:55 Personal Stories and Reflections

01:25 Behind the Scenes of Mother and Son

03:16 The Origin of the Reboot Idea

05:29 Musical Memories and Mix Tapes

05:36 SONG 1: Neil Young - 'Only Love Can Break Your Heart'

09:12 Heartbreak and Humor

13:58 SONG 2: Bruce Springsteen - 'Thunder Road'

18:19 Family Dynamics and Aging

21:07 The Vulnerability of Performing

21:36 Denise's Son Jordie Lane and His Music

21:42 SONG 3: Jordie Lane - 'New Normal'

24:58 Scotty's New Standup Show Tickety Boo

27:18 SONG 4: Radiohead - 'Paranoid Android'

28:46 The death of Matt's mother

33:45 Judith Lucy and Denise's secret - The Power Weep

36:16 SONG 5: Bag Raiders - 'Shooting Stars'

39:28 Conclusion and Next Episode with Noel Gallagher

Watch Mother and Son on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/mother-and-son

Paul Kelly is a national treasure, who's written the soundtrack to our lives. Road trips, first loves, heartbreak, our very sense of identity; he’s explored it all over more than 40 years and 30 albums. 

But who are the songwriters that tickle him? And what place do they take him to? That was the theme I gave PK, when I invited him to Take 5. And you’re about to dig  into an extraordinary conversation, about place, time, family, and the mystery of song.

Paul Kelly's song choices:

1. 1.Kinks – 'Waterloo Sunset'
2. 2.The Go-Betweens – 'Cattle And Cane'
3. 3.Joni Mitchell – 'River'
4. 4.Queen Latifah – 'Just Another Day…'
5. 5.Archie Roach – 'Charcoal Lane'

00:00 Introduction to Paul Kelly's Musical Journey

01:40 Paul Kelly's Influences and Visual Songwriting

02:59 SONG 1: Kinks – 'Waterloo Sunset'

07:13 Paul Kelly's Early Life and Musical Education

10:26 Discovering Jazz and the Trumpet

13:45 SONG 2: The Go-Betweens – 'Cattle And Cane'

16:33 Songwriting Process and Inspirations

21:59 SONG 3: Joni Mitchell – 'River'

25:35 The Magic of Christmas Songs

29:28 The Song's Characters and Their Stories

31:12 Writing the Sequel: Unexpected Turns

32:32 Exploring the Mystery of Songwriting

35:21 SONG 4: Queen Latifah – 'Just Another Day…'

35:31 Contrasts in Music: Queen Latifah's 'Just Another Day'

37:12 Hip Hop and Folk Music: Unexpected Parallels

43:38 The Art of Songwriting: From Poems to Albums

47:42 SONG 5: Archie Roach – 'Charcoal Lane'

53:08 Final Reflections and Future Directions

Watch Take 5 on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

Jarvis Cocker has had a dream run. As founding member and lead singer of Pulp, he hit the highest of the highs during Brit Pop in the 90s, before embarking on a solo career that was just as celebrated. 

A few years ago he published a different kind of memoir called Good Pop, Bad Pop, which visually catalogued his stuff and told his story through its memories. And within that was revealed the Pulp Masterplan, a manifesto by young Jarvis of what a band would look, sound, and be like. Much of it came true.

You’re about to spend time with one of the most charismatic frontmen I’ve met. But offstage, Jarvis Cocker is somewhat shy, reserved, and more than a little self-deprecating. 

It took me by surprise when we sat down in an old theatre in London’s Shepherd’s Bush. The Jarvis I’d grown up with, was different to the one facing me in Bush Hall. 

Settle in for a beautiful, funny, and poetic conversation about life, love and and endless obsession with song.

Jarvis Cocker's song choices:

1. 1.The Cryin’ Shames – ‘Please Stay’
2. 2.B52s – ‘Dance This Mess Around’
3. 3.Scott Walker – ‘It’s Raining Today’ 
4. 4.Judy Dench ‘Send In The Clowns’ / Boys Town Gang ‘Can't Take My Eyes Off You’ Jarvis Cocker Mash-Up [unreleased]
5. 5.Bob Dylan – ‘Isis’

00:00 Introduction and Memorable Moments

00:18 Jarvis Cocker's Career and Memoir

01:04 The Charismatic and Shy Jarvis

02:02 Music as an Escape

03:51 The Take 5 Theme of Love

07:12 SONG 1: The Cryin’ Shames – ‘Please Stay’

10:51 Childhood and Early Influences like The Beatles

15:28 Sheffield and Moving to London

18:16 SONG 2: B52s – ‘Dance This Mess Around’

22:32 The Pulp Master Plan

29:41 The Reality of Fame

31:03 The Impact of Fame

32:13 SONG 3: Scott Walker – ‘It’s Raining Today’

37:50 Pulp's Reunion and New Beginnings

41:25 SONG 4: Judy Dench ‘Send In The Clowns’ / Boys Town Gang ‘Can't Take My Eyes Off You’ Jarvis Cocker Mash-Up [unreleased]

42:00 A Unique Wedding Story

44:37 Reflections on Love and Relationships

46:58 Pulp's 2025 album More

48:29 Glastonbury Performance: Then and Now

54:06 The Magic of Live Performances

55:54 SONG 5: Bob Dylan – ‘Isis’

58:29 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Watch Take 5 on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

At the age of 16, Lorde went #1 across the world. She was catapulted from the suburbs of Auckland to the Grammy's stage, winning Song of the Year. 

12 years and four albums later, she's continued to defy expectations as a pop artist and is one of the most gifted songwriters of our time. This is an episode of Take 5 that was filmed for the TV series, but this podcast is an extended edit - capturing even more stories, insight, and sounds. It's an incredible conversation with one of the most thoughtful people I've met. 

Lorde has been going through a massive period of change. A chrysalis, taking new form. So I worked up a Take 5 theme to draw that out. And from Lucinda Williams to Westerman to something very close to home, hearing her speak about the craft of song is a rare treat.

Lorde's song choices:

• Lucinda Williams – 'Fruits of My Labor'
• Bronski Beat – 'Smalltown Boy'
• Nina Simone – 'Suzanne'
• Westerman – 'Confirmation'
• Charli xcx & Lorde – 'Girl, so confusing featuring lorde'

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:49 Lorde's Early Influences and First Song Choice

02:03 SONG 1: Lucinda Williams – 'Fruits of My Labor'

02:33 Lucinda Williams' Impact on Lorde

09:30 Lorde's Childhood and Musical Beginnings

12:56 The Mystery of Songwriting

14:02 SONG 2: Bronski Beat – 'Smalltown Boy'

18:55 Writing songs about life experiences

21:05 Reflecting on the huge success of 'Royals', The Love Club EP and being world famous at 16

24:10 Reflecting on Teenage Years and Womanhood

28:22 Lorde's Relationship with Her Parents

30:18 SONG 3: Nina Simone – 'Suzanne'

30:27 Nina Simone's Transformative Cover of 'Suzanne'

31:16 Leonard Cohen's Inspiration and Poetic Imagery

32:12 Nina Simone's Unique Interpretation

35:39 Exploring Gender and Identity in Music

36:36 Relationship break-up and personal transformation

39:47 SONG 4: Westerman – 'Confirmation'

42:01 The Creative Process Behind 'Virgin'

44:55 Physical reactions to music

46:15 SONG 5: Charli xcx & Lorde – 'Girl, so confusing featuring lorde'

46:44 Charli xcx releasing 'Girl, so confusing' about Lorde

48:04 Lorde's verse and working it out in the remix

49:08 Articulating the complexity of female friendships

54:02 Lorde reflecting on her friendship with Charli xcx

55:22 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

Watch Take 5 on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

You’re about to learn a whole lot more about Kevin Bacon. The prolific actor has been on our screens for more than 40 years. It was his breakthrough part as Ren in Footloose that got him attention, but he was just getting started. Acclaimed roles in Apollo 13, A Few Good Men, The River Wild, and Mystic River would follow. In fact his filmography and range is so broad he literally had a game made up about him – Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon – where you could connect any Hollywood actor to him in six or less steps, he’s worked with that many stars.

But bubbling away in the background, Kevin has always loved music. He played and wrote songs as a kid, joined his brother’s band and formed The Bacon Brothers in ’95, and shares his love of songs on the regular, across his social media.

It was this thread I wanted to pull at, when I asked him to Take 5. But what emerged was a greater sense of the man himself. Deeply empathetic, very grounded, and with his heart in all the right places.

Kevin Bacon's song choices:

• Earth, Wind & Fire – 'Happy Feelin'
• Spin Doctors – 'Little Miss Can't Be Wrong'
• John Prine & Iris DeMent – 'In Spite of Ourselves'
• Frank Ocean – 'Thinkin Bout You'
• Brandi Carlile – 'The Joke'

00:00 Introduction to Kevin Bacon's Musical Journey

01:00 Kevin Bacon's Love for Music

02:19 Kevin Bacon's Acting and Music Synergy

04:11 SONG 1: Earth, Wind & Fire – 'Happy Feelin'

05:59 The Influence of Philadelphia's Music Scene

09:59 Kevin Bacon's Acting Aspirations and Early Career

14:38 SONG 2: Spin Doctors – 'Little Miss Can't Be Wrong'

18:02 The Bacon Brothers and Overcoming Stage Fright

22:53 SONG 3: John Prine & Iris DeMent – 'In Spite of Ourselves'

23:28 Marriage to Kyra Sedgwick and singing together

30:32 SONG 4: Frank Ocean – 'Thinkin Bout You'

35:21 Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon and Philanthropy

39:51 SONG 5: Brandi Carlile – 'The Joke'

44:28 Kevin Bacon's Musical Journey

45:57 Upcoming Episodes and Podcast Details

46:29 Double J Radio Highlights

Watch Take 5 on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

You’re about to see a side to Aaron Chen you’ve never seen before. 

You might know him as George in Fisk, or Guy Montgomery’s sidekick on Spelling Bee. 

Maybe you cheered his win on Taskmaster Australia season 3. 

He’s also an acclaimed stand-up comic. But when I sat down with Aaron in his new home in New York City, I got a totally different sense of what makes him tick.

This podcast is a companion to the TV episode you can see now on ABC iview. But here, you’re getting a whole lot more. More stories, silliness, and backstory to Aaron Chen. 

I really loved this conversation, mainly cos I had no idea what to expect. And what I walked away with was a rich portrait of a really beautiful human with his heart in the right place.

Aaron Chen's song choices:

• Arcade Fire – 'Neighbourhood #1 (Tunnels)'
• Matt Berry – 'Take My Hand'
• Vampire Weekend – 'Jerusalem, New York, Berlin'
• Faye Wong – 'Dreams (夢中人)'
• Kacey Musgraves – 'Deeper Well'

00:00 Introduction to Aaron Chen

01:26 Aaron's Move to New York

02:49 Comedy and Music

03:57 SONG 1: Arcade Fire – 'Neighbourhood #1 (Tunnels)'

04:38 Growing Up in Suburban Sydney

12:06 Early Comedy Days

15:29 SONG 2: Matt Berry – 'Take My Hand'

16:05 First TV Show Experience

20:43 Friendship with Sam Campbell

25:16 SONG 3: Vampire Weekend – 'Jerusalem, New York, Berlin'

25:38 Journey to America

27:49 Auditioning for Fisk

29:44 Meeting Kitty Flanagan

30:29 Finding My Comedy Voice

34:29 Faith and Grounding

37:09 SONG 4: Faye Wong – 'Dreams (夢中人)'

41:50 Marriage and Moving to New York

44:27 American TV and Movie Roles

48:30 SONG 5: Kacey Musgraves – 'Deeper Well'

48:36 Final Reflections and Future Plans

Watch Take 5 on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

As one-fifth of the Spice Girls, she's one of the most famous people on the planet. But you wouldn’t know it. The Liverpudlian's down to earth beginnings define who Mel C is today.

Take 5 is back on your screens for a fourth season on ABC iview, and we kicked off the series with Sporty Spice. 

In a beautiful HIFI bar in east London, we unpacked her remarkable story… of a kid who daydreamed about the pop stars she’d one day become friends with.

This is the story of the Spice Girls you haven’t heard, where against all odds they did it their way. It’s also the story of Melanie’s path to a solo career, and her full circle return to the rave culture she grew up in.

Settle in for a fireside chat with an absolute legend, in this extended uncut edition of Melanie C's Take 5.

Melanie C's song choices:

• Stevie Wonder — 'Sir Duke'
• Wham! — 'Everything She Wants'
• TLC — 'Waterfalls'
• Orbital — 'Chime'
• The Beatles — 'Eleanor Rigby'

00:00 Introduction to Mel C and the Spice Girls

00:24 Mel C's Musical Beginnings

00:36 Take Five Podcast and Mel C's Story

01:35 The Power of Music in Mel C's Life

02:50 Mel C's First Musical Influences

03:38 SONG 1: Stevie Wonder — 'Sir Duke'

05:43 Meeting Stevie Wonder

09:22 Growing Up in Liverpool

11:07 The Birth of Sporty Spice

15:37 The Spice Girls' Early Days

19:28 Living Together and Early Struggles

20:55 Breaking into the Music Industry

23:55 SONG 2: Wham! — 'Everything She Wants'

30:38 Childhood Memories and First Friendships

32:17 SONG 3: TLC — 'Waterfalls'

35:59 Going Solo and Collaborations

41:12 SONG 4: Orbital — 'Chime'

42:23 Rave Culture and DJing

51:33 SONG 5: The Beatles — 'Eleanor Rigby'

54:44 The Beatles and Liverpool's Influence

55:48 Reflecting on Spice Mania

58:11 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Watch Take 5 on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

The transgressive trailblazer celebrates 25 years since The Teaches of Peaches. A boundary-blurring blend of electroclash, sex-positive feminist themes, and fun. 

It would become a defining album of the early noughties, and kick off a career that made our heads spin time and time again.

Peaches has been pushing the boundaries and conversations around gender and sexuality since the beginning, and she’s someone I always relish sitting down with.

So I’ve dug into my Take 5 archives this week to a chat I had with Peaches back in 2018 when I invited her to Take 5 with songs that bite. And oh boy, did she deliver.

Peaches' song choices:

• PJ Harvey - '50ft Queenie [4-Track Demo Version]'
• Rough Trade - 'High School Confidential'
• DAF - 'Der Mussolini'
• Missy Elliott - 'Get Ur Freak On'
• Diamanda Galás - 'My Love Will Never Die'

00:00 Introduction to Peaches and Her Impact

00:50 Peaches' Musical Inspirations and Influences like AC/DC

04:39 Exploring PJ Harvey's Influence

05:06 SONG 1: PJ Harvey - '50ft Queenie [4-Track Demo Version]'

07:59 SONG 2: Rough Trade - 'High School Confidential'

08:02 Rough Trade and Carol Pope's Legacy

13:36 Peaches' Role in Queer Culture and Feminism

14:21 Influencing artists like Janelle Monáe

17:31 SONG 3: DAF - 'Der Mussolini'

18:13 The Power of Minimalist Punk

19:32 Peaches' Unique Stage Presence

20:51 SONG 4: Missy Elliott - 'Get Ur Freak On'

22:33 The Evolution of Peaches' Art

23:28 SONG 5: Diamanda Galás - 'My Love Will Never Die'

25:15 Upcoming Take Five Episodes and Conclusion

Take 5 with Zan Rowe is back on your screens from Tuesday 9 September, and Season 4 is our biggest yet.

• Kevin Bacon
• Melanie C from the Spice Girls
• Lorde
• Paul Kelly
• Comedian Aaron Chen (Fisk, Guy Montgomery's Guy Mont-Spelling Bee)
• Pulp's Jarvis Cocker

Across this new season, you’ll hear revealing, funny, and deeply personal conversations with some of the most fascinating artists around. Each guest takes on a theme and chooses five songs that speak to it, and what unfolds is always unexpected.

Like Jarvis Cocker, who didn’t say “I love you” until he was 40. Or Aaron Chen, whose wild comedy days led him back to a deep Christian faith.

Want a Spice Girls story?Melanie C takes us back to the early days of sharehousing with the band – and spills on who scored the solo room. That chat was filmed at Hidden Grooves, a high-end London hifi bar owned by Richard Branson. The speaker behind us? Worth £55,000. No joke.

We also sit down with songwriting legends Paul Kelly and Lorde, diving into the tracks they obsess over and the stories behind them.

You’ll catch all the episodes from Tuesday September 9 on ABC TV and ABC iview.

PLUS: every week, we’ll drop extended cuts of these chats right here on the podcast. All the bits we had to leave out of the TV episodes, the stories that didn’t make the edit, the moments that stayed with us.

So hit follow and get ready for a season of Take 5 that’ll shift your perspective, make you laugh, and maybe even make you cry.

And while you wait for Season 4, there’s plenty to explore. From Eddie Perfect to Meg Washington, Bernard Sumner to Antony Green – Take 5 has been a radio and podcast favourite for years. Dig in.

Watch the first 3 seasons of Take 5 on ABC iview:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

Other Take 5 episodes you might like:

Eddie Perfect https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/eddie-perfect-take-5-source-material-beetlejuice-musical/105463030

Bernard Sumner from New Order https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/bernard-sumner-take-5-still-uses-blue-monday-synth-unbeatable/104908428

Meg Washington https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/meg-washington-take-5/105628150

Antony Green https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/antony-green-take-5-song-preferences/105234670

Mac DeMarco has long been loved for his laid-back guitar noodlings and so called “slacker” rock. He sometimes calls it "jizz jazz", but whatever it is, it’s gained him a loving fanbase across the world.

For the past few years, Mac has moved away from traditional albums in favour of brain dumping huge swaths of music – a lot of it without lyrics. But now he’s returned with an old school album, and for him he says it’s capturing the essence of where he’s at right now. What matters.

On the day he released Guitar, I invited Mac to Take 5. Fall into Mac's world, you'll feel better for it.

Mac DeMarco's Take 5 song choices:

• Martin Kolberger + Ralf Illenburger – 'Waves'
• Akiko Yano – 'A Worried Girl'
• Michael Manring – 'Welcoming'
• Bruce Cockburn – 'You Get Bigger As You Go'
• Bob Dylan – 'Alberta #1'

00:21 Mac DeMarco's Musical Journey

01:13 Reflecting on Life and Music

03:06 The Essence of Music and Collaboration

05:45 Martin Kolberger + Ralf Illenburger – 'Waves'

06:23 Philosophical Musings and Personal Anecdotes

09:25 Akiko Yano and Musical Inspirations

13:39 Akiko Yano – 'A Worried Girl'

14:08 Guitars and Their Stories

16:37 Canoeing and Nature's Influence on Music

19:27 Michael Manring – 'Welcoming'

20:18 Exploring Jazz and Its Mystique

23:01 Creating Music Independently

25:58 Reflecting on Canadian Roots

29:39 Bruce Cockburn – 'You Get Bigger As You Go'

30:06 Reflecting on new album Guitar and singing falsetto more

33:26 The Influence of Bob Dylan

37:20 Bob Dylan – 'Alberta #1'

38:11 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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