In this engaging conversation, Justin and Robbie delve into their shared passion for audiobooks, particularly in the fantasy genre, and how it contrasts with self-help literature. They discuss the impact of narration on storytelling and their personal experiences with running and health, including the challenges of race participation and the evolution of ultra running. The duo also reflects on the culture surrounding race swag and the allure of endurance events, contemplating the future of ultra running and the unique experiences it offers. In this engaging conversation, Robbie and Justin explore the unique aspects of the ultra running community, from the camaraderie at the starting line to the interactions with elite athletes. They discuss the differences between ultra races and marathons, share insights on training and nutrition strategies, and delve into the challenges of using energy gels and gear during long runs. The conversation also touches on the infamous Bighorn mud and concludes with lighthearted moments and reflections on their experiences in the sport.