Talking Talmud

On the oil that was decreed off-limits, until Rabbi Yehudah HaNasi said it was permitted. So the Gemara delves into the source of the degree, which becomes a far-ranging discussion on kashrut, impurity, and authority. Plus, a list of decrees - which were among 18 degrees that were established on one day - with massive implications for our own day and age.

First, a note on Rabbi Akiva's question on the previous daf. Then, a discussion about the cheese of non-Jews that leads into reflection on the verse, "for your love is better than wine" - is God talking? Are the Jewish people talking? Plus, how decrees were made quietly, lest people not be able to live up to the requirements of the decree, and tactfully. Also, a new mishnah! The list of non-Jews' foods from which Jews are prohibited to eat, but they can get benefit from the things on this list (milk, bread, oil, and more).

A Rabbi Akiva story -- wherein he didn't know the answer to 3 questions, though others in the beit midrash were able to shed light for him. (One of these questions being a straight-up "avodah zarah" Jew/non-Jew interaction question, and the possibility of rehabilitating jugs owned by a non-Jew, which explains the passage's presence on this daf). Also, more on the fish stew -- and the story of how guards were placed to guard the fish stew to make sure nobody added wine to it (risking libation wine, etc.). Note that "cheap wine" was understood to not be problematic to begin with. Plus, the cases of cheese and the woman who is betrothed with the excrement of an ox that awaits stoning.

Jewish wine in non-Jewish jugs - there's a dispute over how prohibited the wine is, and under what conditions. But if there's a Jewish intermediary, that might increase the possibilities. With the perpetual concern being a non-Jew pouring a libation that the Jew might not even notice. Also, Rav Zevid's take on non-Jews tossing things into the wine of the Jews - at what cost? But how did people handle the expense of not using the jugs or other vessels. Also, fish stew and cheese -- how they cooked and how they spiced their food, and so on. With a reduced halakhic concern, as long as no wine is entering the soup, for example. Or calves that were dedicated to idolatry, for example, when they are then used to make cheese.

NOTE: This episode is released out of order (after daf 32) because of a problem with the recording. We apologize for the inconvenience.

There are 3 reasons why wine would be prohibited -- that which was used for libation; that which was owned by a non-Jew; that which belonged to a Jew, but what was deposited with a non-Jew. With various degrees of severity regarding benefit and impurity. Plus, an aphorism about a tree's presence and its fruit. Also, a further discussion on beer - and specific kinds of beer that were problematic for various reasons: fraternizing (where the beer is kosher, but avoid the establishment); small amounts of concerning wine mixed in the beer; or beer that was left uncovered, which is its own problem.

[Who's Who: The Emperor Hadrian] Hadrianic ceramics were prohibited for use by Jews -- white earthenware that absorbed the Roman wine, and then was broken and used again. But could it be used for not foodstuffs? Also, a question is raised when the halakhah isn't practical -- that the point isn't just to memorize the halakhah, but following it through, credit to Abaye. Plus, an idolatrous offering can render a place impure.

Various types of wine, and when they are permitted -- mostly they are prohibited, but not necessarily so, for example, if something is prepared prior to the Jew ever appearing as a recipient of the wine, or ointment, or other derivative products. Plus, the distinction between a healing beverage and plain old regular beverage -- and whether they can be prepared on Shabbat. Plus, concerns about how making such beverages can go wrong. Also, the distinction between wine and beer - which is usually acceptable. And the concern about social mingling that can lead to intermarriage. Also, leaving liquid and beverages uncovered - and the risk of the snakes leaving venom in the water.

On bloodletting - as a healing practice - and how the practice would dictate restrictions to one's diet for a time. Also, precautions that a Jew must take in a non-Jew's barber shop (or salon), beginning with watching the barber in the mirror. Including the question of how the mirror helps in a private domain. Plus, a story that illustrates the danger of a haircut in a private domain. Also, a new mishnah! With a list of the items from non-Jews that Jews are not permitted to use, from wine to Hadrianic earthenware to fish stew to cheese that is produced in a setting of idolatry (the Gemara explains these details later, of course).

More on healing -- when the healer is an idolater or when the healing is done on Shabbat. With a focus on vinegar and its healing properties and when it is not permitted even for sipping on Shabbat. Also, a focus on a specific treatment of "raising one's ears" on Shabbat - a physical adjustment, which is permitted on Shabbat. Plus, stories of healing on Shabbat with actual medicine too.

Circumcision that wasn't done for the sake of the mitzvah (or for God) was considered invalid. Of course, whether one needs that degree of intent is up for debate. Note also that non-Jew who happens to be circumcised isn't fulfilling the mitzvah of brit milah. Also, a new mishnah: medical or other health treatments by professionals who are non-Jews are largely prohibited, except for when they can sidestep those regulation -- but noting Rabbi Meir's harsher views in general regarding non-Jews, perhaps because of his lived experience. Note the distinction between monetary and personal treatments. Plus, the concern of Jew going to a non-Jewish barber in a private domain. Likewise, what happens when a Jew has business or medical dealings with a heretic - which is harshly cautioned against?