Terror Talk: True Crime, Serial Killers and Horror

Natural Born Killers is nothing if not a unique portrayal of psychopathic and trauma based sociopathy. Our discussion explores this and much more. Plus our horror book reads and movie watches including the books A Flicker in the Dark, New Teeth,  and true crime and horror watches including Freaks, The Orphanage, Night's End, The Privilege, and the Horror Facts with Cath Trivia Game. 

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A Retrospective of a few favorite shows plus our true crime and horror watches including Tinder Swindler, Bad Vegan, The Sadness, Monstrous, Jack in the Box Awakening, Firestarter,  Countdown, and the Horror Facts with Cath Trivia Game. 

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Today on the Terror Talk Podcast: Elizabeth Holmes and Female Sociopathy

Shannon and Cathy discuss the personality structure and deeds of Elizabeth Holmes. Plus our book reads and movie watches including the books A Flicker in the Dark, Nightbitch, Audition, and true crime and horror watches including Jimmy Saville: A British Horror Story, See for Me, The Cellar, The Twin, and the Horror Facts with Cath Trivia Game. Music by Mannequin Uprising Website: https://www.terrortalkpodcast.com Community Membership: https://www.patreon.com/terrortalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/terrortalkpodcast/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TalkTerror/

Today on the Terror Talk Podcast: Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard 

Shannon and Cathy discuss the ongoing defamation trial of John C Depp II vs Amber Laura Heard. Specifically, the forensic psychology expert testimony, micro behaviors observed and combative relationships.  Plus our book reads and movie watches including the book The Exorcist, Ms. 45, The Nighthouse, Flight Attendant, The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, and the Horror Facts with Cath Trivia Game. Music by Mannequin Uprising Website: https://www.terrortalkpodcast.com Community Membership: https://www.patreon.com/terrortalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/terrortalkpodcast/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TalkTerror/

Ted Bundy spent nine years on death row convinced he could talk his way out, and he was still trying an hour before they strapped him in. This is the last part of the Ted Bundy reboot: the death row interviews, the games he played with Bob Keppel, and the morning it ended.

CONTENT WARNING: this episode opens with a 2022 Green Bay case involving dismemberment and necrophilia, described in detail. It then covers murder, sexual violence, and an execution. The heaviest hour in the series.

CHAPTERS

00:30 Hybristophilia, and why women fall for killers

03:19 The Taylor Schabusiness case, and a name that derails the show

10:18 Why people actually watch horror, and what childhood has to do with it

15:02 Horror Facts with Cathy

16:10 The final Bundy segment

17:29 Stephen Michaud, and a man who would not use the first person

21:28 Bob Keppel, and the Green River Killer gambit

25:09 Georgann Hawkins, and the only time Bundy admitted to panic

34:05 Death row, hacksaw blades and a letter to John Hinckley Jr

38:46 Old Sparky, January 24, 1989

41:12 The origins of the Schabusiness surname, for the record

42:35 TAU

44:32 Four Good Days

50:04 Rubber

53:10 Turning Red

54:58 American Scary

57:13 The Lure

1:00:28 Horror Facts answers

THE EPISODE

Bundy gave two kinds of interview and the gap between them is the whole story. To Stephen Michaud, before conviction, he described a killer in the third person, never naming him, complimenting the interviewer on having the intelligence to be a good one. On death row with Bob Keppel he finally used the word I, and only because he had run out of plea deals and had nothing left to protect.

Even then it was a transaction. He offered to help catch the Green River Killer. He waited until two days before the execution to start talking, because he knew Keppel could stay it. He handed over names on paper instead of saying them aloud. He drew a map to Georgann Hawkins that led to nothing.

Cathy and Shannon sit with the ending rather than skipping past it: the resistance, the crying, the childlike state, and what it means for a man who believed he was limitless to meet the one thing he could not talk around. Neither of them has much compassion for him. Both of them find the process disturbing anyway, and they say why.

CORRECTIONS

John Hinckley Jr shot President Reagan in 1981, not Kennedy. Bundy's confession total is most often recorded as thirty homicides rather than thirty-six. Carole Ann Boone had already left Florida before the execution and did not speak to him that day.

LOOKING FOR THE REST OF THE SERIESAll eight parts are on the feed. Search Terror Talk plus SHRINK CHAT for: No Man of God and Ted Bundy American Boogeyman; Ted Bundy's Childhood, Midsommar and Hereditary; Ted Bundy's Teen Years and the Hillside Strangler; Ted Bundy's College Years and Ann Rule; Janice Ott, Denise Naslund and Aileen Wuornos; Ted Bundy's Escapes and Kimberly Leach; Ted Bundy's Trial and Carole Ann Boone; and Ted Bundy's Execution and Georgann Hawkins.

SOURCES

Robert Keppel, The Riverman. Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth, The Only Living Witness. Ann Rule, The Stranger Beside Me. Florida Department of Corrections execution record, January 24, 1989.

Two licensed therapists, one forensic psychologist, one clinical LMFT, take apart the minds behind the crimes.

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Ted Bundy was offered a deal that would have taken the electric chair off the table. He turned it down at the last moment, because accepting meant standing up in front of the world and saying he was guilty. Part seven of the Ted Bundy reboot is the trial, and the vanity that decided it.

CONTENT WARNING: murder, sexual violence, bite mark evidence, the murder of a twelve-year-old girl, and capital punishment.

CHAPTERS

00:25 Ridley Scott is producing Ragnar Jonasson's Outside

02:50 What makes a slasher villain stick, and why most of them do not

06:07 Freddy Krueger's origin story, and congruence across a franchise

07:55 The Parkland juror who talked her way off the panel

12:43 Horror Facts with Cathy

14:17 The reboot resumes: the trial

16:24 The three sections, and the two interviewers

19:47 Florida, June 1979, and a televised trial he played to

20:30 The plea deal, the plan behind it, and why he blew it up

22:27 The bite mark, and the odontologist who matched it

23:06 Psychopath or sociopath, and why the distinction matters here

24:38 Seven hours to convict

27:25 Orlando, Kimberly Leach, and an eyewitness

29:19 Carole Ann Boone, and a marriage declared in open court

30:16 Three death sentences and Old Sparky

35:37 Everything Everywhere All at Once

39:16 Cursed Films season two, and the Wizard of Oz

44:27 Finch

48:31 Master

51:55 Horror Facts answers

THE EPISODE

The trial is where Bundy stopped being able to hide, and Cathy and Shannon are more interested in the vanity than the verdict. He fired five court appointed attorneys. He represented himself. He wore a Houston Astros shirt under a blazer and smiled at the cameras. And he was handed a plea deal that would have spared his life, which he had already worked out how to exploit, planning to let the evidence rot and the witnesses scatter before moving to set the pleas aside.

He rejected it in the room, because taking it meant admitting the court was right. His own public defender said it plainly: he would have had to stand up in front of the whole world and say he was guilty, and he could not do it.

Shannon and Cathy use that moment for the clearest distinction they have drawn in this series. A psychopath does not need to be liked as long as he gets away with it. A sociopath needs the reputation, and that need is what put Bundy in the chair.

CORRECTIONS

The third case in the plea offer was Kimberly Leach, not a woman attacked in an apartment. The woman attacked in her apartment after Chi Omega was Cheryl Thomas, and she survived. Bundy was arrested in February 1978; the Chi Omega trial opened in June 1979. The Leach death sentence was handed down on February 12 1980. And Bundy was not among the last to die in Old Sparky, which Florida continued to use into 1999.

LOOKING FOR THE REST OF THE SERIESAll eight parts are on the feed. Search Terror Talk plus SHRINK CHAT for: No Man of God; Midsommar and Hereditary; the Hillside Strangler; Ann Rule; Janice Ott and Denise Naslund; Kimberly Leach; Carole Ann Boone; and Georgann Hawkins.

SOURCES

Ann Rule, The Stranger Beside Me. Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth, The Only Living Witness. Florida v. Bundy trial record, 1979. Dr. Richard Souviron's bite mark testimony.

Two licensed therapists, one forensic psychologist, one clinical LMFT, take apart the minds behind the crimes.

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Stanford Prison Experiment discussion plus our book and movie watches including The Exorcist book, The Family Across the Street book, Martyrs, Dawn of the Beast, Dog, new TCM, and horror facts with Cath as well as the news as we see it.

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Final Destination #3-5 and the psychology within, our book and movie watches including Jigsaw Man, The Dropout, How to Fix a Drug Scandal, Inside, The Seed, and horror facts with Cath as well as the news as we see it.

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Will Smith and his behavior at the Oscars 2022 is our discussion of the day, plus our book and movie watches including Manhunt by Gretchen Felker-Martin, Project Horror and Attack on Show, Hellarious, Mansquito, Ice Spiders, and horror facts with Cath as well as the news as we see it.

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Final Destination and the psychology within, our book and movie watches including The Gift of Fear, The Eyes of Tammy Faye, Haunters, The Weekend Away, You Should Have Left, A House on the Bayou, and horror facts with Cath as well as the news as we see it.

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