The Adelaide Show

The Adelaide Show Podcast began life as Another Boring Thursday Night In Adelaide 10 Years Ago

Tonight, to mark our 10th birthday, we chat with special guest, Owen Eastwood, who helps us reflect on the deeper theme of Belonging, which is something at the core of what this podcast is all about. This has been a community-focussed endeavour and Owen manages to highlight its structure and set out some principles for starting or strengthening your own community.

The SA Drink Of The Week is a special bottle from 2016.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, Suedan takes us along Route 31.

You can navigate episodes using chapter markers in your podcast app. Not a fan of one segment? You can click next to jump to the next chapter in the show. We're here to serve!

The Adelaide Show Podcast: Awarded Silver for Best Interview Podcast in Australia at the 2021 Australian Podcast Awards and named as Finalist for Best News and Current Affairs Podcast in the 2018 Australian Podcast Awards.

And please consider becoming part of our podcast by joining our Inner Circle. It's an email list. Join it and you might get an email on a Sunday or Monday seeking question ideas, guest ideas and requests for other bits of feedback about YOUR podcast, The Adelaide Show. Email us directly and we'll add you to the list: [email protected]

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Running Sheet: Reflecting On 10 Years Of Adelaide Show Podcast Community With Owen Eastwood

00:00:00 Intro

Here's the plan for our 10th birthday Month Of Episodes.

Tonight, it's Owen Eastwood.

Next Tuesday night, we will release our first Retrospective episode with the boys who created our original manifestation of Another Boring Thursday Night In Adelaide.

The following Tuesday night, the second Restrospective episode will feature Nigel Dobson.

And the final Retrospective will feature Adelaide hairdresser and trivia extraordinaire, Don Violi.

At the time of recording, the current wording on the homepage of our website distills the meaningful, human insights that Owen Eastwood shares in his work. It reads:

Welcome to The Adelaide Show podcast community. You are not alone.

There are hundreds of fellow South Australians awaiting you in our episodes. Have a listen. Many of them will inspire you to continue (or discover) an endeavour that fulfills you.

We have a great community here in South Australia. While it’s not perfect, it has sustained many people to build connections and follow passions in ways have enabled our state to punch above its weight on the world stage.

But as Dr Jane Goodall said back in episode 42, the best way to make our world a better place is to start with the square metre you’re standing on, and build from there.

To help you find “your people”, we’ve sorted our episodes into categories. If you browse the list below you’ll be able to start with themes and topics closer to your heart.

That said, in the process of putting the passion of South Australia on centre stage, we uncover some surprising people an insights, so we also encourage you to chance your arm and listen to some random episodes. It might just be what you needed to hear.

If this is your first listen. Welcome. I hope you enjoy this and feel encouraged to explore other episodes, as well as let friends know about The Adelaide Show. If you're a regular, thank you very very much. Knowing you are there and occasionally hearing from you is a very important part of a community endeavour like this.

It's been hard work, but it's been an absolute joy, and it has introduced me to many many people and places throughout South Australia. There's more where they came from. How much longer will this continue? I do not know. But for now, I intend to keep making every conversation count and I will continue to be grateful for every minute you let me put the passion of South Australia on centre stage.

00:08:37 SA Drink Of The Week

We have a special wine this episode, the 2016 Zema Estate Cabernet Sauvignon.

It's special because one of my fondest memories was the road trip Nigel Dobson and I took down to Mount Gambier to record a special interview with Maria and Walter from Caffe Belgiorno. On that night, we drank the same wine, but it was a 2012.

You can relive that night, here: Episode 139, Mount Gambier Is Noyce Ployce: Stories From Caffe Belgiorno.

00:14:21 Belonging with Owen Esastwood

Owen Eastwood is an author and performance coach, among other things, who happens to be a New Zealander of Māori descent. He works with some of the world’s leading athletes, sporting teams, business leaders, entrepreneurs and performing artists. Over summer, I read his book, Belonging, The Ancient Code of Togetherness, and it has profoundly impacted my life, not least for Owen's engaging description of Whakapapa, a Māori idea which embodies our universal human need to belong. They say hindsight is 20:20 vision and as I look back on 10 years of creating my passion project, The Adelaide Show, I can't help be think I've missed the bullseye of making something truly grounded in community. To that end, I'm honoured to have Owen on the line from the UK to distill his concepts of Community and Belonging, and hopefully tease out some approaches to grounding this, or any future projects, more squarely within one's community.

Owen, I truly recommend our listeners to read your book, Belonging, but for the purposes of this interview, I fear I need to ask you to help define a few terms and lay some foundations.

The first is a definition of Whakapapa.

The second is that moment when you became aware of the power of being told, you belong.

In your book, your sports stories are superb but working with the commanders of NATO was a really grounding way of applying your approach to community. Can you explain what you did with them and what impact it had?

How do you define the human urge to belong? I think you gave it great context in the sandpaper affair when Australia played South Africa in test cricket?

How aware or ignorant are we of our need to belong, especially in light of Prof Anna Lembke's book, Dopamine Nation, in which she says we have pleasure on tap. Is that numbing our awareness?

How did you interpret the more recent controversy of Australia's wicketkeeper, Carey, stumping or running out England's Bairstow?

I am watching the women's FIFA world cup. I get a strong sense that the Matilda's seem to have some bond that seems more than just wanting to win for a team. What signs do you look for through the filter of Whakapapa or community?

Now, the big question for The Adelaide Show.

I feel like I have glanced the surface of community. What questions, what thinking, what conversations can help ground a community endeavour?

00:58:09 Musical Pilgrimage

Our featured song this episode is La La by Suedan.

Suedan is a dynamic blues and roots duo formed in 2016 by Sue and Dan, two talented musicians with a passion for creating soul-stirring music. Dan’s mesmerizing vocals and intricate cigarbox guitar skills come together harmoniously ,while the rhythmic beats of the cajon add depth to their sound. With their heartfelt storytelling and electrifying performances ,SUEDAN has captivated audiences and established themselves as a force to be reckoned with in the blues music scene. Their unique blend of traditional blues with a modern twist sets them apart and leaves a lasting impression on anyone who has the pleasure of experiencing their music.

Route 31 Coastal Drive takes in the 31kms of our beautiful coastline (yes, you guessed it, that’s the connection to the name), from O’Sullivan Beach to Sellicks Beach and everywhere in between. From holiday favourites to hidden gems, this stunning stretch of coastline is a must visit for your next road trip.

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Do you have books in your home or workplace? And, perhaps more importantly, do you read any of them? Our guest today, Rainer Jozeps, says the presence of books is a symbol of your curiosity and your interest in engaging with the world (my words). However, that utterance was a small park of a bigger issue he drew attention to in In Review, namely, our state government’s dropping of the ball (so to speak), when it comes to arts funding vs sports funding.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, thoughtful singer/songwriter, Lucas Day.

You can navigate episodes using chapter markers in your podcast app. Not a fan of one segment? You can click next to jump to the next chapter in the show. We’re here to serve!

The Adelaide Show Podcast: Awarded Silver for Best Interview Podcast in Australia at the 2021 Australian Podcast Awards and named as Finalist for Best News and Current Affairs Podcast in the 2018 Australian Podcast Awards.

And please consider becoming part of our podcast by joining our Inner Circle. It’s an email list. Join it and you might get an email on a Sunday or Monday seeking question ideas, guest ideas and requests for other bits of feedback about YOUR podcast, The Adelaide Show. Email us directly and we’ll add you to the list: [email protected]

If you enjoy the show, please leave us a 5-star review in iTunes or other podcast sites, or buy some great merch from our Red Bubble store – The Adelaide Show Shop. We’d greatly appreciate it.

And please talk about us and share our episodes on social media, it really helps build our community. Oh, and here’s our index of all episode in one concise page

Running Sheet: Rainer Jozeps In The House With No Books

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week

No SA Drink Of The Week this episode.

00:02:32 Rainer Jozeps

Books on bookshelves, news avoidance, ignorance, cocooning, and art making. These five topics were woven into an intriguing piece in InReview by Rainer Jozeps, entitled, South Australia Has Become Like A House With No Books. Rainer has been involved in Australia’s arts industry for more 30 years, holding senior executive roles with the Australian Elizabethan Theatre Trust, Adelaide Festival Centre, West Australian Ballet, Australian Dance Theatre and Adelaide Symphony Orchestra.

Rainer, I’d like to use your article to give structure to this conversation, even though I’m anticipating that we will do an awful lot of colouring outside the lines.

Your article begins by recounting your many visits to display homes to sate your curiosity about what was being offered by builders, noting that you’d leave with an empty feeling in the pit of your stomach because the homes had no provision for books. You then quote Greek philosopher, Cicero, who said “a house with no books is like a body with no soul”. I’d like to explore this a little because my initial reaction was to cheer your claim that “books inspire creativity, excite the imagination and stimulate the intellect”, but then I realised that I have a wall or two of books at home and many have not been touched for years. Do you think there’s intrinsic value in “the having of books” or are you assuming that those with books actually read them?

• Does the presence of books create a more thoughtful headspace?
• David Olney noted that seeing books can spark conversation. Our books are on our phones – perhaps our screens could run slideshows?
• Russ Roberts from the Econtalk Podcast says if we read a book a week, we’ll probably read about 2,500 books in our lifetime. That’s not many. Are there any you believe are a must – either by title or genre?

The next theme in your article is ignorance, defined as the lack of knowledge. You argue ignorance can be a chosen state (you realise other people know things you don’t know), or it can simply be that you are unaware of there being things you don’t know. You note that ethicists call the former “recognised ignorance” and the latter “primary ignorance”. This drew recollections of the Johari Window but also the toxic saturation of conspiracy theories that thrive in this Donal Trump-led era of Fake News. Setting aside mainstream news consumption for the moment, are you hopeful or pessimistic about our society’s chances of shaking free from this almost ubiquitous, heavy veil of ignorance?

• I sense there are First Principles at plan here. No matter how deep the proliferation social media, if we all chose to take heed of Socrates’ dictim, that “the unexamined life is not worth living,” we might create space between hearing things and reacting to them. Do we need meditation before education?
• I did talkback radio for a number of years and I was always dumbfounded by vocal callers who robustly stated their position on anything you put in front of them, within a millisecond. My intuition would suggest their arguments were flawed, but I always needed more time and openness from them to investigate what their beliefs were based on. Needless to say, they were never open to that. Have you mixed with such people. Have you developed any strategies, not to trick them, but to engage them in reflection?
• And how important is it to actually challenge bad, stereotypical ideas? I ask this because psychologist and writer Adam Mastroianni has eloquently argued on Econtalk that, “our minds are like the keep of a castle protecting our deepest held values and beliefs from even the most skilled attacks. The only problem with this design for self-preservation is that it also can keep out wisdom that might be both useful and true.” He says there is little to do to change people’s minds; you can’t access our brains through our ears. Your thoughts?

The third theme is the link between ignorance and “news avoidance”. What is news avoidance and what do we know about it?

• I am a former journalist and I get news from a glance through the ABC app, a longer dwell time on the Al Jazeera app, occasional reads of the Ukraine independent app which I subscrib to, Zaborona, and the In Daily newsletter when I see it. That keeps me abreast of most timely stories but for “colour, as I confessed to Peter Greste, I now get my news “sense” from news satire shows like The Bugle, Mad As Hell (when it was on, even though writer David M Green says they didn’t think they were fulfilling such an important role), and comedic articles by The Chaser. By being prepared to describe the context of a story and then shout convincingly that the emperor has no clothes, they keep tabs on those in power. How would you define me on the news consumer to news avoider continuum? And where do you sit?
• The fourth estate has abdicated its responsibility. Peter Greste shared first hand how newsroom editors measure “success” by likes, instead of the important measure of editorial value. Your thoughts?

The fourth theme is cocooning and I confess, I might be in that category. I quote: “Cocooning” is a middle-class phenomenon coined by US futurist Faith Popcorn, who predicted large swathes of the community would, in fear of an ever-changing outside world, equip their residences with entertainment rooms, streaming services, security systems and perimeter walls, and utilise ever more home delivery services. And now we want to work from home! What’s wrong with this picture?

• I have worked from home for almost 20 years and I do everything I can to avoid driving in peak hour, if at all. I was in LA a week or two before Covid and the multi-lane highways were a non-stop channel of filth and waste and exhaust. Come Covid, they became almost deserted and peaceful, and air quality improved. Are there not good things about working from home?
• Going out necessitates a place to congregate with others and bars, cafes, and restaurants typically fill that need. But in an article in 2020, you lamented the noisy architecture of our eateries, where you have to shout to be heard. A client and friend of mine, Laura Drexler, has started a site called, Ambient Menu, where people can review eateries on their level of noise. Is this the other half of the deadly duo strangling social cohesion; crappy, selfish, dumbed down media and news, coupled with venues that encourage consumption and monosylabic conversations?

The final theme in your article is art making. You lament our State’s reduction in art funding, especially compared to its increased funding of sporting events. I quote: “The arts in South Australia are woefully underfunded relative to other states. From 2017-2022, states and territories cumulatively increased arts funding by 22 per cent, while SA was the only state to head in the opposite direction, reducing funding by 9 per cent over the same period.” I think we can accept the funding figures as fact, so let’s look at your underlying reason for frustration here, you state: Our civic life needs thriving cultural institutions to counter ignorance and intolerance. How is that so?

• I have seen some wonderful, thought-provoking theatre that had potential to counter ignorance and intolerance, but it it seen by a select few who can afford $50+ a ticket and who are primarily people from the chattering, enlightened classes who are already doing their best to stay informed and engaged. What is the value of our State Theatre putting on worthy pieces, society-improving pieces, if only the tiniest morsel of the community can see them?
• At the end of every episode since 2013, we have said goodnight to Don Dunstan, to honour his legacy as a Premier who stirred things up and got our kitchen cooking (literally). In a stirring piece you wrote in 2o16, Inauthentic “vibrancy” is damaging SA’s shrinking arts sector, you lamented then Premier Jay Weatherill’s dropping of the ball (so to speak) in reducing arts funding. There are many buzzwords in art but especially in politics and “vibrancy” is one, along with “activation”. What have you noticed about governnment support for the arts from Weatherill to Marshall to Malinauskas?
• Some of the events receiving money at the moment, most likely at the expense of arts, include Liv Golf, the AFL’s Gather Round, and bidding for next year’s Netball grand final. Do you think these events are intrinsically unworthy of funding?
• Our guest, next week, for our 10th birthday episode is New Zealander, Owen Eastwood, who has written a beautiful book about Belonging, drawing on many principles and insights of his Maori culture. He has noted that the communal act of following a team and “being there” every week is actually good for the spirit and the soul. Have you ever partaken in such a thing as “following a team”? And is there something from this dynamic that we can learn from in The Arts?
• I am part of a netball family. My wife coaches three teams and both my daughters play in two teams apiece. It has a strong web of grassroots involvement and is a crucial part of holding many regional communities together. Could there ever be an Arts alternative?

Your words to our government and us?

00:53:22 Musical Pilgrimage

Our featured song this episode is Intuition by Lucas Day.

Guided by what’s left unsaid
Tempted to put my trust in it
Succumb
To intuition
Led by instincts rarely wrong
Held by hands with a mind of their own
Succumb
To intuition
Let your soul fly free
Your desire run wild
You got nowhere else to be
Than in the shared state of mind
Succumb
To intuition
Down that deep end is where I belong
Getting used to that sweet unknown
Succumb
To intuition
Let your soul fly free
Your desire run wild
You got nowhere else to be
Than in the shared state of mind
Succumb
To intuition
Succumb
To intuition

And here’s a slice from his Facebook page with his busy schedule:

why am I so happy?1st Sept BAND GIGplaying @fatcontrollerclub for the first time with @ebonyemili and @travcollinsmusic on the lineup8th Sept ONE MAN BAND GIGreturning to the @lovethegov stage supporting @noasis_official with @dumb_whales1st Oct ONE MAN BAND GIGventuring to the @terminushotelstrath supporting @bekjensenmusic for her album launch tour28th Oct BAND GIGhitting up the @spacejamsfest stage for @fleurieufolkfestthat’s why!so grateful to be able to share my music with the world and meet so many awesome people stay brightLD x

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Trevor Pomery has put plenty of snap, crackle, and pop, into the world of FMCG or Fast Moving Consumer Goods - the kinds of products we buy regularly at supermarkets. Today, upon his retirement, we look back on his journey through the supermarket aisles of marketing and get some insights into how THEY make US buy their products, and why we LOVE it.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, LJ and The Reckless Horns.

You can navigate episodes using chapter markers in your podcast app. Not a fan of one segment? You can click next to jump to the next chapter in the show. We're here to serve!

The Adelaide Show Podcast: Awarded Silver for Best Interview Podcast in Australia at the 2021 Australian Podcast Awards and named as Finalist for Best News and Current Affairs Podcast in the 2018 Australian Podcast Awards.

And please consider becoming part of our podcast by joining our Inner Circle. It's an email list. Join it and you might get an email on a Sunday or Monday seeking question ideas, guest ideas and requests for other bits of feedback about YOUR podcast, The Adelaide Show. Email us directly and we'll add you to the list: [email protected]

If you enjoy the show, please leave us a 5-star review in iTunes or other podcast sites, or buy some great merch from our Red Bubble store - The Adelaide Show Shop. We'd greatly appreciate it.

And please talk about us and share our episodes on social media, it really helps build our community. Oh, and here's our index of all episode in one concise page

Running Sheet: Trevor Pomery Retires With Golden North 100 Not Out

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week

No SA Drink Of The Week this episode.

00:03:09 Trevor Pomery

Trevor Pomery retires today as Director of Marketing and Export for Golden North Ice Cream. His career has spanned many loved and popular products, ranging from those intriguing Kelloggs Variety Packs, to Farmers Union Iced Coffee, to South Australia's beloved Golden North Ice Cream.

Get ready to never walk down a supermarket aisle in the same way again.

01:03:44 Musical Pilgrimage

Our featured song this episode is I Don't Know What Love Is from the debut album of LJ and The Reckless Horns.

Of course, LJ has been making music for a long time, but this new collaboration is promising to chill you to the bone with its eclectic collection of cool grooves, where chilled out jazz meets funky rhythms, punctuated with sublime horn arrangements.

The ‘Official Album Launch’ will be on Sunday 10 September 2023 6:30 PM - 9:00 PM at Norwood Live, Norwood Hotel (Function Centre), 97 The Parade, Norwood South Australia 5067.

Doors open 6.30pm
Music starts 7pm
Meals and drinks available
Plenty of car parking around the venue

Click here, noting: Limited tickets available.

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Unearthed Australian Opal is set to make opal industry history with an unprecedented event, Unearthing Opal Live. This groundbreaking occasion brings together live opal mining and a simultaneous auction of any rough opal discovered during the event. Taking place on August 2, Unearthing Opal Live will be a thrilling 3.5-hour live stream from an opal mine in Coober Pedy, the renowned Opal Capital Of The World. And the Adelaide Show has the inside scoop with tonight's guests.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, Slava and Leonard Grigoryan.

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The Adelaide Show Podcast: Awarded Silver for Best Interview Podcast in Australia at the 2021 Australian Podcast Awards and named as Finalist for Best News and Current Affairs Podcast in the 2018 Australian Podcast Awards.

And please consider becoming part of our podcast by joining our Inner Circle. It's an email list. Join it and you might get an email on a Sunday or Monday seeking question ideas, guest ideas and requests for other bits of feedback about YOUR podcast, The Adelaide Show. Email us directly and we'll add you to the list: [email protected]

If you enjoy the show, please leave us a 5-star review in iTunes or other podcast sites, or buy some great merch from our Red Bubble store - The Adelaide Show Shop. We'd greatly appreciate it.

And please talk about us and share our episodes on social media, it really helps build our community. Oh, and here's our index of all episode in one concise page

Running Sheet: Unearthing Opal Love From Coober Pedy

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week

No SA Drink Of The Week this episode.

00:02:28 Dan Measey, Renee Everest, Chris Warman

Opal enthusiasts and collectors around the globe will witness a world-first as Unearthing Opal Live combines the captivating elements of real-time opal mining with the excitement of a live auction. This unique event allows viewers to watch the mining process unfold before their eyes, ask questions about the process, and bid on the gems as they are unearthed, creating an unparalleled opportunity to acquire opals with genuine provenance.

However, Unearthing Opal Live is not just an event. It is a personal journey driven by the passion and expertise of its owner and founder, Dan Measey, who started prospecting in Coober Pedy when he was one year old. Dan’s fate as an opal prospector was sealed when his opal-mining father dug him a new bedroom in the family’s underground dugout home in the late 70s. The home extension yielded a blue, green, crystal opal the size of a cigarette packet worth $1500!

While online auctions for opals are not uncommon, Unearthing Opal Live will take this experience to an entirely new level because the telecast will show opal mining in real time and enable viewers to immediately participate in a live auction to bid on the gems freshly discovered from the mine. This unique combination of mining and auction provides an exclusive opportunity to own opals with a direct connection to the source.

As Dan says, "this will be the closest thing to experiencing real mining because viewers will share the anticipation that accompanies prospecting. They’ll share in the thrill of not knowing whether any opal will be found, mirroring the experience we have every day as we explore our claim."

You can read more on the Unearthed Australian Opal website: Unearthing Opal Live.

The livestream is now over. This episode now includes a bonus hour of chatter from the event.

01:49:25 Musical Pilgrimage

Our featured song this episode is actually an instrumental composition by Slava and Leonard Grigoryan entitled, Fred's Vision.

Given our presence in the outback for this episode, it's a perfect opportunity to play a track inspired by Fred Hollows. Fred was an opthamologist who was inspired to restore eyesight to thousands of people in Australia and overseas. He always pushed for change and spent much of his career fighting for better access to eye health and better living conditions for Indigenous Australians.

He was known for carrying a little wooden box full of lenses and frames and when the Grigoryan brothers saw that box, they were inspired to compose this track; Fred's Vision.

Fred's Vision is from the Grigoryan Brother's album, This Is Us. Here is a link to the works of Slava and Leonard Grigoryan.

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America celebrated Independence Day earlier this week, on the Fourth of July, so while the spotlight was on the US we thought it would be the perfect time to catch up with New York-based Adelaidean, Josh Pugh aka America Josh, to get a sense of the South Australian expat community in the Big Apple as well as reflect on some comparisons between life there and here.

The SA Drink Of The Week is a gold medal wine, the Baroota Creek 2020 Cabernet Shiraz from Flinders Run. Watch this winery. I hear stories of people buying Penfolds Grange for quite low prices before it was famous, this has the potential to be one of those wines.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, Gerry Masi is back as part of Distractor Code.

You can navigate episodes using chapter markers in your podcast app. Not a fan of one segment? You can click next to jump to the next chapter in the show. We're here to serve!

The Adelaide Show Podcast: Awarded Silver for Best Interview Podcast in Australia at the 2021 Australian Podcast Awards and named as Finalist for Best News and Current Affairs Podcast in the 2018 Australian Podcast Awards.

And please consider becoming part of our podcast by joining our Inner Circle. It's an email list. Join it and you might get an email on a Sunday or Monday seeking question ideas, guest ideas and requests for other bits of feedback about YOUR podcast, The Adelaide Show. Email us directly and we'll add you to the list: [email protected]

If you enjoy the show, please leave us a 5-star review in iTunes or other podcast sites, or buy some great merch from our Red Bubble store - The Adelaide Show Shop. We'd greatly appreciate it.

And please talk about us and share our episodes on social media, it really helps build our community. Oh, and here's our index of all episode in one concise page

Running Sheet: From Adelaide To The USA With Love And America Josh

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:03:53 SA Drink Of The Week

We have two special wines this episode, the Flinders Run Baroota Creek 2020 Cabernet Shiraz and the 2021 Baroota Creek 2021.

Flinders Run is a winery in the Southern Flinders area, run by Emanuel and Laura Skorpos. This wine has just been awarded a gold medal score of 95 by Wine Showcase Magazine.

This special tasting was held at Enzos's Ristorante, with Emanuel and Laura (although Laura preferred to take photos and videos rather than be on microphone) and Damon Musha from Wine Australia USA.

00:17:01 Josh Pugh, America Josh

In 2017, Josh Pugh left what he described as a "fantastic life" in Adelaide and headed to New York to start a new life there. He handed over control of his company, sold his house, sold his car, and even gave away his cat so his odyssey could begin. Luckily for him, things have fallen into place: He found a home, a wife, and a dog, all in a matter of a few short years. However, last month, another South Australian, Fairlie Delbridge, connected with Josh at the launch of the South Australia Club in NYC, and then connected Josh with The Adelaide Show. And, as fate would have it, we're having this chat with Josh while he still has South Australia's famous Mitani chicken salt in his system.

America Josh

How did you get Mitani chicken salt?

Is there a list of items or places you miss? Food items, events like Fringe?

Are there some things you are glad to have left behind?

Tell us about the South Australia Club in NYC. The opening was attended by Stuart Nutting, who is Austrade's Regional Director South Australia Trade and Investment, along with Trade and Investment Minister, Nick Champion. If it is anything like the Adelaide Club, the only way you get in is if you're a pastoralist, an Anglican, or you share DNA with Alexander Downer?

We have much to unpack but we need to start with your decision to leave Adelaide. If your life was truly "fantastic", why did you leave?

You currently run open gatherings in Central Park. Why do you do that?

Your website says you created America Josh to help people plan to move to or settle into New York. What is involved in getting a Green Card or residency?

You mention you were attracted by the "buzz" of New York. Something we've long argued at The Adelaide Show is that you can have a miserable boring life here or in New York; most of it depends on how proactively you are engaging with life. Firstly, has the buzz faded like the initial burst of romance in a relationship? And, secondly, can you reflect on the extrinsic and intrinsic factors that have helped you feel settled?

What was Fourth of July like?

Fairlie Delbridge is a mover and shaker in SA but is spending a year studing at Harvard. How have your paths crossed?

Cricket. Was watching the other day and remember you talking fondly of cricket. Commentators were talking about timers to keep games moving at pace and how baseball now has countdown times for pitchers. I must say, I watched some baseball. It is soooooo boring. Being there is okay but, just like golf, it's not made for tv. Your thoughts?

Also, what do you think of the stumping in the Ashes?

I get confused with cricket umpire Steve Davis and I notice there is an English comedian, Josh Pugh. Do you ever get mis-identified?

Who will you vote for in the elections?

The dangers of stalking guests is that I saw a picture of you as Mrs Doubtfire. Is that a regular habit?

Final thoughts for people thinking of moving?

And are you encouraging Americans to move here?

01:24:15 Musical Pilgrimage

Our featured song this episode is This Town by Gerry Masi under the banner of Distractor Code; his collaboration with Paul White.

It’s all played on 80s synths with Gerry singing and, unlike the songs under his non de plume, Mad Dog Malcolm, there are no inappropriate lyrics!!!

Given the US flavour if this episode, I should point out that This Town is not the classic Frank Sinatra song, nor is it Adelaide's version of New York New York, however, it puts Gerry's operatic power to good use and it broods with darkness and passion.

For Josh, he'll note The Arts Theatre in the video cover image, below.

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How has your understanding of and relationship with Australia Day changed over time? What goes through your mind when you hear a Welcome to Country or Acknowledgment of Country? And what do you think of when you hear the term Aboriginal prosperity? These are just some of the questions touched on in this extended interview with Griefologist, Rosemary Wanganeen, who takes us on a journey towards healing by embracing grief. As you'll hear, there is important work to be done by Indigenous and Non-Indigenous Australians, and it starts with finding ways to forgive our 1788 ancestors.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, Nataleigh shares a song produced as part of her 13-year-old songwriting competition, eMusic.

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Running Sheet: Loss, Grief, And Forgiveness: Rosemary Wanganeen On How Indigenous And Non-Indigenous Australians Can Thrive

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week

There is no featured drink this week.

00:03:04 Rosemary Wanganeen, The Healing Centre for Griefology

Three weeks ago, at the end of May 2023, The Healing Centre for Griefology, shared a post that read: Did you know that 25% of Aboriginal people living in the inner city have mental health problems? We can change this - we can educate institutions and organisations about Griefology as a proven method to enact Aboriginal prosperity. It triggered an avalanche of comments like "looking for more handouts", "the solution to Aboriginal prosperity is not different to Whites - get off the grog", "easy fix, pack up the 'dilly bag' and go 'walkabout' and get out of the city, you all get paid by the government no matter where you go, and you will still get everything for nothing no matter where you go, so GET OUT OF THE CITY IF ITS MAKING YOU CRAZY". When the founder and director of the Healing Centre for Griefology, Rosemary Wanganeen, shared how much hurt this caused her team, a flood of compassion arose from many people, including me, who just couldn't process the vitriol the Centre had received. Rosemary Wanganeen Niina Marni (how are you)?

Rosemary, you are a Griefologist, a Clinical Loss & Grief Counsellor, today I want to delve into what griefology actually is, what The Seven Phases to Integrating Loss and Grief are, and your upcoming symposium on July 7, along with some discussion of the polarising views about Australia Day, my mixed feelings about Acknowledgement Of Country rituals in some circumstances, some insights about how to approach The Voice, and the buried art of intuition. But first I want to return to those spiteful, racist messages you and your team received.

My reaction was almost a carbon copy of everybody else's. We were staggered by the unveiled hatred. One comment from anthropologist, Sue Fraser, summed it up by saying: I am so sorry that you and your team have to deal with these comments. It is sickening and sad that people believe these things, and that they think it's okay to dump these comments on to someone like yourself who is doing such great work for Aboriginal Peoples and for the rest of us as well. Sending love and hugs Sue.

However, I think I have a deeper understanding of what was behind those comments, now that I have spent a few weeks listening to you talk. In particular, you shine a light on the psychotic state of the 1788 arrivals, explaining that they became perpetrators of violence having been victims of a broken approach to life that disconnected them from their humanity, in a process that stretches back to Plato and even beyond.

Can we please start here because I think your framing of this evolution might help us make sense of the macabre way Romans crucified people, the hideous human waste of The Great War, and even what’s happening today in Ukraine.

I'd like to dwell a little longer on Australia Day. My own journey over 50 years has been one of a little bit of "rah rah", then many years of indifference (although the public holiday was gratefully received), to a stirred reflection on the "experiment" of South Australia, to growing conflict about how to process my growing understanding of some of the dark, dark stuff my ancestors did, to a point of being rather frozen now. That's why my ears priced up when you mentioned, in a recent interview, the importance of you finding a way to forgive the 1788 arrivals, and the importance of us Anglo people finding a way to forgive them, too. Can you please expand on this?

The theme of forgiveness is key, here, but you do differentiate between grief forgiveness vs religious forgiveness. Can you explain this to me?

This reflection on words does raise the importance of both language and the process of passing on knowledge. In Sand Talk, Tyson Yunkaporta talks about Europeans named the mountains in the east as The Great Dividing Range, even though it doesn't diving anything (it is, in fact, an song line that connects), and the coral off the east coast as the Great Barrier Reef even though it is not a barrier but in fact another song line that connects. Does this explain why there seems to be such a large gap between indigenous and non-indigenous cultures?

Something else Tyson shares in his book is the role of passing on knowledge through stories or yarns and how written words tend to be processed in short term memory but oral stories tend to get stuck into long term memory. As part of discussing this, it also brings up themes of the characters in Aboriginal stories - people, animals, plants, and even rocks and stars. He shared a story about a magpie and a crow that is still triggered every time I see one of those birds (it was part of a story about the importance of taking the learning of knowledge seriously) but I've also heard you tell a story about a meeting with Grandfather Crow. I'd love to understand this dynamic more.

We start our episodes with a simple acknowledgement of country and at the netball recently, there was a truly earnest and profound Welcome To Country that had gravitas and meaning. However, I see so many acknowledgement of country rituals that are either blurted out quickly as an inconvenience, or are made overly elaborate and hand-wringing in some theatre settings, that they come across as either hypocritical at one end or virtue signalling on steroids at the other end. What is your thinking about these rituals?

One of my clients was warned not to do an acknowledgement of country at an event for fear of offending people but as I learn more about griefology and the seven phases to integrating loss and grief, it seems that fear is because there is stuff bottled up inside many of us and it threatens to blow in harmful ways, or even just uncomfortable ways. Could we walk through these phases?

Phase 1 Contemporary Aboriginal Disadvantage
Phase 2 Childhood Violations / Losses & Unresolved Grief
Phase 3 Australian History; English History; Ancient History; Plato 388 BC.
Phase 4& 5 Ancient Traditional Culture
Phase 6 Reclamation of Contemporary Loss & Grief Programs
Phase 7 Develop Training Programs for every sector across society

I'm fascinated by your methodology for developing griefology. You talk about intuitive research. What does that mean and how can we be sure the voices we hear inside are not delusions?

Can you tell us about the National Symposium on Griefolology at the Adelaide Convention Centre. What it is, who should go, and what you hope it will achieve?

Steve references his documentary, Sorry Proof Country, during the interview. It was uploaded to YouTube many years ago when there was a 10-minute limit. So here is part one of the 30-minute film YouTube will guide you to parts two and three as you watch.

01:36:54 Musical Pilgrimage

Our featured song this episode is Here in the Woods, by Nataleigh.

Nataleigh is a dynamo on the local music scene. She performs all over place but also makes musical magic with her twin sister, Amanda, by hosting an annual music competition called eMusic. The twins invite friends to submit a song that follows three rules; each song has to be original, recorded at home, and meet the 'general' characteristics of the chosen genre. This year the genre is acoustic, but previous years it has been everything from power balads to children's songs. There tend to be about six entries each year and then the 50 or so people who turn up vote on the songs so that a winner can be chosen.

The song we're going to listen to is a good accompaniment to this episode. It's called Here in the Woods. It was written by Amanda but both sisters sing it. It's a good choice for this episode because part of what Rosemary Wanganeen was encouraging us to do was to get "into the woods" to reconnect to the stories from the land around us. And this song makes many references to immersing in and observing the woods, the forest, the moon, etc.

We wish them all the best for this year's 13th eMusic competition - and thank you to Carol Neller for putting us in touch.

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When Steve Davis is not recording The Adelaide Show Podcast, he's sitting in the co-pilot's chair with Dr Travis Brown as they create This Medical Life, a podcast that explores the history of different diseases and medical conditions, along with the latest insights in understanding and treatment. And what better way to give you a taste that wrapping a podcast within a podcast!

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, The Public Servants will sing Four O'Clock Friday (make sure you stay for the end to hear it, and don't clock off early).

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Running Sheet: This Medical Life And The Andrew Wakefield Fraud

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week

There is no featured drink this week.

00:08:10 Dr Travis Brown and This Medical Life

Dr Travis Brown is a pathologist who has a passion for the stories of medicine. He's also Resident General Pathologist at Clinpath Pathology.

His obsession for storytelling led him to create a podcast in 2020, called This Pathological Life. In late 2021, the podcast broadened its focus and became This Medical Life.

Travis is 83 episodes into this journey and in every one of them he takes a particular disease or medical condition, explores the history behind it, and then covers our understanding and treatment of it today. Typically, he has an expert from the field handle the last part of each podcast.

The enterprise is an open gift to the medical world. It is pitched at GPs and specialists and medical students, but he's also attracting a general interest audience of humans who are curious to learn as well as patients who want to know more about their particular illness.

Our very own Steve Davis is the co-host of this podcast and because he is having his Covid booster and flu shot today, coinciding with an episode about vaccines and one about influenze just about to be released, it seemed the perfect time to throw the spotlight on this fellow Adelaidean podcast.

We will hear the complete episode (Season 4, Episode 38), in which the special guest is Brian Deer, the award winning investigative journalist and bestselling author of The Doctor that Fooled the World, which blew the whistle on the great fraud carried out by disgraced former doctor, Andrew Wakefield, who wrongly linked the MMR vaccine to autism and fuelled parts of the ant-vax movement.

As you will hear, this is not based on semantics, this truly was a fraud at many levels. It's a horrifying insight into how such evil can then lure well-meaning people not only off the safe path but into the thickets and weeds of conspiracy and pseudo science.

01:01:54 Musical Pilgrimage

Our featured song this episode is Four O'Clock Friday by The Public Servants.

This Adelaide band claims to be the world’s premier public servant-themed novelty punk rock band. And I think they're on the money.

On Friday, June 16, 2023, The Public Servants will officially launch their debut full-length album ‘Code of Misconduct’ at the Hotel Metropolitan, with support from Adelaide’s Celtic folk rockers The Backyarders.

You would expect public servants to have obsessive personalities and the band members do not disappoint. They are all vinyl buffs so their debut album has been pressed into luxury 180 gram brown vinyl. And it will be a limited edition, too, with only 100 copies made.

Code of Misconduct on vinyl is available at The Public Servants’ shows and online at Bandcamp, with the music available through all the digital platforms.

A final thought. Public servants also like statistics so it is no surprise that their media release contained this gem: 100,000 songs are released each day. They posit that as the reason they're striving a bit weird, because there's a lot of "noise" to cut through.

To give you a taste of the content, ,the album opens with Blend 43 – a coffee staple in many a workplace. It's followed by Papercut, Stress Leave, and Bored.

The song we're playing, to keep the episode family friendly is not, Flexitime Sexytime, but rather, Four O'Clock Friday. It's got to be four o'clock Friday somewhere, right?

The Public Servants are:

Frank N Fearless – Guitar and vocals
Indi Pendent – Drums and vocals
Beau Racrat – Bass and vocals
Linda from HR – Vocal harmonies

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When Shaun Micallef pulled up stumps after 10 years of Mad As Hell last year, the writers in the team had to start looking for work. One of those writers, who was part of 13 of the 15 seasons, David M Green, is an Adelaidean whose life has been dedicated to pursuing the craft of comedy. He joins us to share some great insights into writing, the nature of comedy, and the workings of a weekly comedy show.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, Matt Cahill returns with a new Evoletah song.

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Running Sheet: Cunnos, Comedy, And Micallef With David M Green

00:00:00 Intro

One of our former guests, Caroline Rowe, whose episode was, I Wouldn't Be A Baker If I Couldn't Eat The Cakes, has just launched in interesting quiz on her website that helps you identify your inner cook, so you can start the process of getting more confidence in the kitchen. During this week, while she's testing it, you'll find it on her homepage at carolinerowe.com. She'd love you to make use of it and the resources it points you too.

Also, Steve is working with some university students on a project focussing on the City of Adelaide and would dearly love you to fill in one or both of their surveys today or within the next few days. As a thank you, when you complete the surveys you can opt to go into the draw for a $50 ByAdl voucher and a $30 Rundle Mall voucher!

The first one reflects on living in, working in, or visiting the city: Resident/Visitor survey

The second one is perfect if you work in the city but have had changes in where you work brought about by Covid: Working from home survey

Ideally, they need you input by Saturday, May 27, 2023.

00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week

There is no featured drink this week.

00:05:31 David M Green

In recent years, there have been only two shows that have given me my money's worth in paying for the ABC. The first is Mediawatch. The second was Mad As Hell. So when Shaun Micallef pulled the plug late in 2022 after 10 years and 15 seasons, I was left, well, Mad As Hell. One of the people who created the magic  behind the scenes was a comedian and comedy writer from Adelaide, David M Green. He was invited onto the show by Shaun for season 3 and he stayed there until season 15 in 2022. Some might say that gig was a long way from his humble beginnings of producing the Channel 31 show, Good Afternoon Adelaide, in between popping down grab some bargains at Cunnos. David, welcome.

Link to David's website: David M Green

Link to David's youtube channel: David M Green on YouTube

The movie referred to is not Mad Men or similar with Dustin Hoffman but rather Crazy People with Dudley Moore. Crazy People

David, you might be pleased to know that even though I don't have a team of writers, I did revise my intro a few times. I'd like your opinion on one of the early drafts: After mentioning Micallef's decision to end the show I had this sentence: For Mad As Hell comedian and writer, David M Green, the end of the show meant he had to find a new gig so that he could continue being paid to release his Kraken (and by that, I mean, joke crackin'). Yes, I've opened this interview with a Bill Shorten-style zinger.

Talk to me about revisions. I imagine gags and jokes follow some sort of arc. Can you tell me what the life cycle of a joke was like at Mad As Hell?

Something I find intriguing and disturbing is that News Corp and many other outlets have twisted and ransacked journalism so much, that I find I get most of my news sense from comedy and satire programs like The Bugle, The BBC News Quiz, and Mad As Hell. Did you have any sense that you were helping us distill the silliness and the context of news in your comedy?

Use by dates are severe in political writing. When I was a journo, I lived and breathed in the news cycle to the extent that it overtook my life. Did you need to be a news junkie to write for Mad As Hell?

We'll be back in a moment, to talk about comedy through Covid, the limits of comedy, and Cunningham Warehouse Sales

That is a classic ad that you wrote for Mad As Hell. There were many nutjobs and deluded people swanning around with various conspiracy theories during Covid. In fact, it was like covid became an incubator for lunacy. Were they easy gags or did you get some pushback?

This brings me to the question of "the line". You reference online that you are quite the nerd, so I want to nerd it up for a moment and create a quadrant. From dry to the opposite, and safe to daring, where do you sit now, and where have you sat?

This might be a good time to talk TJs three jokes because we've been talking about crafting some

• Division 12 footy players
• Woman wiht axe in car
• Armed robbery at supoermarket
• Protester dangling
• A truck driver safely swerving all over the road
• The Crows doing pies in faces

One of the main triggers for doing the quadrant was this Good Afternoon Adelaide visit by Santa (cancer and dead dad).

What's your reaction to hearing that again.

Let's turn to the VHS Revue. Some points for discussion include:

• Cunninghams Warehouse Sales
• SA Great Commercial
• Lots of sung jingles including Southern Music Centre about Organs - we can make them big or make them small
• Force Electronics with paper money
• Monday Morning Movie

Why do VHS Revue nostalgia? Just fun, or important?

What is next for a career in the arts?

I want to finish with some Mad As Hell highlights:

• The 2019 wrong episode
• Your favourite character
• Favourite moment with shaun
• Most memorable moment
• Would you have done anything different

01:16:27 Musical Pilgrimage

You might recall our special episode with Matt Cahill, reliving the history of the band, The Violets. One of his other projects, which had been brought to our attention by radionotes with John Murch, is Evoletah.

They've just released a new son, Calliope Dream, and Matt tells me there's a new album on the way, too.

This is a nice mellow end to the show which should transform us from mad as hell to mellow as the Ancient Greek heavans where Calliope was a muse to the Greek poets.

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Imagine if we had enough housing in South Australia.

It is possible, according to entrepreneur and developer, Barrie Harrop, our special guest this week.

Barrie has plans afoot for building a tall hotel in Victoria Square out of timber, a quality resort in Whyalla, and housing developments that offer free electricity to occupiers while making best use of existing road and rail infrastructure and accommodates people who need affordable accommodation.

John Gledhill returns to walk us through some new wines; this time they are fortifieds.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, we hear a small snippet from South Australia's Kaurna Cronin, who is about to take his local music to Europe.

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Running Sheet: How A Green South Australia Can Thrive

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:02:46 SA Drink Of The Week

This week we are joined by local winemaker, John Gledhill from Gledhill Vignerons, who gives us a sneak peek at his two new fortified wines; a Fortified Durif and a Fortified Touriga.

John also gives us a glimpse at the complexity of fortified winemaking.

The wines will be available soon on his website: Gledhill Wines.

00:13:16 Barrie Harrop and a green South Australia

Someone I've been watching in my LinkedIn feed for some time is Barrie Harrop. Barrie is there, every day, championing anything related to Green Hydrogen, Whyalla, and Sustainable Construction of buildings and houses using Cross Laminated Timber. Among many other things, Barrie is the chair of Thrive Construct, a building and development company that is committed to quality design, life time construction, carbon neutral living, free energy (subject to fair usage) and fast construction.

Barrie, although much of your career has focussed on significant scale property development, the one term that seems to tie everything together is entrepreneur. My social media feed would have me believe that South Australia has 17 entrepreneurs for every square metre of the state - every week has some sort of powerful gathering of entrepreneurs, or some sort of award like Best Left Handed Entrepreneur Aged 35 - 30, but in your career, you actually get things done. Could we start by defining what you think makes an entrepreneur a true entrepreneur, and perhaps share a couple of your proudest entrepreneurial successes?

Another theme I see running through various "self made" people in my feeds, is how everybody around them is small minded and negative. And I think there's some nuance here. Just because an idea is big or grand or new, does NOT mean it is worthwhile or good. You have had your share of dealing with naysayers, and, one of them that brings this issue to the surface is the Southgate building at the bottom end of King William Street.
Back in the 90s, the atypical design for the Adelaide cityscape drew many critics.
What was it like, being at the centre of that project, including being the subject of that persistant Financial Review story, entitled, "Developer Adelaide Loves To Hate"?

So, Southgate was all about steel but a major theme in your posts over the past year or two has been CLT or Cross Laminated Timber. This material is the centrepiece of your proposed hotel tower for Victoria Square but before we get there, I want to share the story about CLT and also how it's related to building and construction practices in Australia, which I've seen you claim as some of the most wasteful in the world.

Turning to Victoria Square, I'm surprised we need a new hotel because everything I have been seeing is talking about scarcity of residential properties in the Adelaide CBD. Can you talk us through why hotel accommodation is the approach you've taken?

I'm working with some Flinders University students at the moment and they're grappling with scenarios where a city has a lot of vacant office space and crushing scarcity of residential accommodation. As an entrepreneur and developer, what do you think of the concept of refitting vacant office buildings as residential, or adopting a hybrid approach? Does that have legs, given that landlords traditionally make more money from commercial clients, don't they?

Something intriguing about your approach to development is captured in this line on your website: "We're planning the world's largest sustainable and affordable housing projects and as part of the planning we will introduce micro grids (wired and integrated with solar and battery technologies) subject to fair usage clause our model is free energy for our occupients".

And you took a shot at the Adelaide City Council's Bus Station redevelopment for its small percentage of affordable accommodation in the mix. How does the affordable accommodation aspect work; what stops investors using tricky methods to steal the affordable allocations away from those in need?

Do you have any thoughts on our shrinking Housing Trust stock? Morphettville is being plundered and redeveloped at the moment and a part of me is sad that housing that once helped the less well off is now being converted into little McMansions.

You wrote to the Department of Infrastructure a few years ago and you floated one idea to alleviate our lack of affordable housing options. You said 400sqm areas around train stations and tram stops in the suburbs should be rezoned to allow 8-storey developments because it puts people right where transport is and gets the balance right. Do you still hold this view?

Have you seen the growth in Mount Barker? Large parts of me die when I see farming land turned over to low densite housing. We can't eat concrete. Where's our food going to come from?

Back on the hotel front, you've been writing for some time now that Whyalla is the perfect place for accommodation investment because even broom closets can fetch $200 a night. What is the dynamic at work there and what has you so involved in the town?

What makes Whyalla the perfect location for Green Hydrogen production to help us become a green South Australia?

I am hearing a lot of criticism about the so-called "dumb" choice of governments backing electric vehicles as the shorthand answer for decarbonising transport, on the basis that our electricity grid, especially in apartment buildings, just can't cope with battery charging. Would hydrogen-fuelled vehicles be an answer or the answer?

Finally, I just heard some research being discussed over the weekend about how our ideas get more extreme when we only mix with people who agree with us. How do you keep your ideas sharp and balanced and not given to simple idealism and wishful thinking? Do you have a Devil's Advocate in your circle?

01:07:14 Musical Pilgrimage

Given that during the weekend of recording, England reminded us, through the crowning of their/our new king, that they sent people to Australia in the 1800s, it makes sense that we blow a few horns for local singer/songwriter, Kaurna Cronin who will soon be our export back to Europe.

He has a number of dates planned - get details and music from the Kaurna Cronin website - but to finish this episode we're going to hear one of his latest songs, Our Way, from his recent album, Harsh Reality.

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From the trenches of the Western Front to the ricefields and jungles of South-east Asia, Australian women have served and doctors and medical specialists from World War I until the present day. Not For Glory is a book that tells their stories of adventure, courage, sacrifice and determination as they fought to serve their country… and won. Co-author, Susan Neuhaus joins us to share some of those stories ahead of Anzac Day.

And in the Musical Pilgrimage, we hear a small snippet from South Australia's 2022 Dawn Service, lest we forget.

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Running Sheet: Not For Glory - Australian Women At War With Susan Neuhaus

00:00:00 Intro

Introduction

00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week

No SA drink segment this week.

00:03:22 Susan Neuhaus

As we approach Anzac Day 2023, I'm reminded of a review I wrote about the play, Hallowed Ground in 2019. In the play we get to meet a number of women who have served Australia, our allies, and humanity in various locations and situations in response to a deep calling to "do their part", do their service.

The production by The Shift Theatre, was adapted from the book, Not For Glory, by South Australian army veteran and surgeon, Colonel Susan Neuhaus CSC (Retd) and Dr Sharon Mascall-Dare.

I wrote back then that in light of this production and this book, I will certainly be recalling these women’s stories as part of my emotional and historical journey every Anzac Day.

And to prepare myself for this Anzac Day, and to share some extra insights with you, I have Susan Neuhaus with me now.

This simplest link for finding Not For Glory is here: Australian Women At War bookshelf page.

Susan, you spent 20 year5s in the military in both the Australian Regular Army and the Army Reserve as a clinician and a commander. You served in Cambodia, Bougainville and Afghanistan, and in 2009, you were awarded the Conspicuous Service Cross, followed in 2020 by being admitted as a Member of the Order of Australia for services to medicine.

What compelled you to serve Australia in what is referred to as conflict medicine?

How does medical work in the field differ from back in normal practice?

In small business mentoring, I have found that often I end up playing the role of confidant and counsellor. Surely that must happen in the field to a much greater degree. Can you share an example?

Are there any disciplines or procedures you learn in the military that make civilian life better (or worse)?

I want to reflect on your awards because it connects directly to the title of your book, Not For Glory. When you and so many other service people join the military to "answer a call", how does one hold the notion of medals and awards, when that was not a part of one's motivation?

What is so important about these women's stories, that has propelled you to go on the gruelling pathway of crafting a book?

What impact would you like this book to have on readers and on the military itself?

Can we look at some stories?

Through what lens do you reflect on the current situation in Ukraine?

00:48:27 Musical Pilgrimage

The most fitting music for this episode has been drawn from the 2022 Dawn Service at the South Australian War Memorial.

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