The Adoption Files

The Adoption Files

By Ande StanleyScienceSocial Sciences
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The Adoption Files episodes

  • The Cult-Like Aspects of Adoption Episode 5 Andrea Coates

    Please join us as we speak with non-adoptee and Licensed Clinical Social Worker Andrea Coates, who is also a DNA search angel and adoptee advocate. Andrea is a therapist with Greenhouse Counseling. 

    Adoption Therapy | Counseling at The Green House | Indianapolis Indiana Kentucky Texas Massachusetts Wisconsin (greenhouseindy.com)

    Lynn Grubb can be found on social media as The Adopted Genealogist. 

    The Adoption Experience | a podcast by Lynn Grubb (podbean.com)

    Mentioned in the podcast:

    Cult Expert Steven Hassan's Freedom of Mind Resource Center

    The Baby Scoop Era: Unwed Mothers, Infant Adoption and Forced Surrender: Wilson-Buterbaugh, Karen: 9780692345795: Amazon.com: Books

    http://babyscoopera.com

    The National Association of Social Workers (NASW) Code of Ethics (uaf.edu)

    "I do not think that....the great majority of social workers (especially young, unmarried women) are competent to handle the problem of the unmarried mother and her child. A Masters Degree in Social Work does not always qualify a young woman to deal with the intricate problems of social behavior....an unwed mother must not be rushed into a decisions to give up her baby for adoption until every other avenue has been explored and every other door opened." ( in Solinger 1997) Dr Robert Barrett, the son of Crittenton home co-founder Dr Kate Waller Barrett, who became president of the Florence Crittenton homes after her death in 1925

    National Mental Health Hotline | 866-903-3787

    The thoughts and opinions expressed in the podcast are just that, thoughts and opinions. The host and their guests are not lawyers, therapists or religious gurus. 

    Thank you for listening! Please take a moment to rate the show. We are always open to constructive criticism and feedback about the show. The host of The Adoption Files can be reached at [email protected]. 



    1 hr 19 min
  • Lynn and Ande interview Emma Stevens for episode 4 of The Cult-Like Aspects of Adoption, a therapy episode
    Emma Stevens is a U.S.  domestic adoptee from birth and has survived layers of trauma that have put her on multiple journeys. She developed the inner strength and courage to surmount the many struggles she faced. Her traumas were born from first being relinquished and then becoming an adoptee who struggled with being forced to wear an impossible mask playing the part of the "good adopted child." Emma is the author of two memoirs. Her work can be found at:
    Amazon.com: The Gathering Place: An Adoptee's Story eBook : Stevens, Emma: Kindle Store
    Amazon.com: A Fire is Coming: 9798375288994: Stevens, Emma: Books
    Lynn Grubb can be found out:
    The Adoption Experience | a podcast by Lynn Grubb (podbean.com)
    Resources:
    Macy-O-Healing-Your-Trauma-CUB-22.pdf
    Dr. Janja Lalich, PhD — #igotout
    NBCC | National Board for Certified Counselors
    Where Adoptee Voices Meet – An Adoptee Centric Connect Group (adopteesconnect)
    A Little Bit Culty on Apple Podcasts
    The Adoption Experience | a podcast by Lynn Grubb (podbean.com)
    Steven Hassan's BITE Model of Authoritarian Control - Freedom of Mind Resource Center
    Home (naapunited.org)
    Home - Beyond Words Psychological Services (growbeyondwords.com)
    RAINN | The nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization While not discussed in the episode, Emma talks in her book about inappropriate and criminal sexual touch committed by her former therapist. If you or someone you know has or is experiencing unwanted or unethical sexual attention from anyone, including a therapist, psychiatrist, or social worker, please reach out for help. 
    Disclaimer: The host and their guests are not lawyers, therapists or religious gurus. The thoughts and opinions expressed are just that; thoughts and opinions. The host(s) always encourage listeners to learn more about the topics discussed on the podcast, and to think outside of the confines of the adoption narrative. 
    Thank you for listening!
    1 hr 5 min
  • Realid
    The ongoing saga of one adoptee with a foreign birth certificate, issued more than a year after their birth, attempting to obtain a Realid. Tune in for more of this ridiculous tale!
    9 min
  • The cult-like Aspects of Adoption Episode 2 pt 2 with guest Greg Gentry
    Part 2 of Lynn and Ande's conversation with Greg Gentry. 
    Mentioned in the show: 
    Roe v. Wade: Decision, Summary & Background - HISTORY
    Read Justice Alito's initial draft abortion opinion which would overturn Roe v. Wade - POLITICO
    Judaism and abortion: like any other topic, abortion is one argued about in Judaism. Some hold that it is prohibited, but not until a certain stage of pregnancy. In some cases abortion is allowed only to preserve the life of the mother. The guiding rule is that abortion must be considered on a case by case basis, and not banned outright. You can spend all day reading articles on Judaism and abortion. Here is one short article that hints at the complexities: Judaism and Abortion - The Jewish View of Abortion - Chabad.org
    ACE: Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) (cdc.gov)
    Genealogy!  We did not mention the importance of genealogy in the Bible. We do talk about the erasure of identity and history that is part and parcel of adoption. As contrast, the Scriptures are huge on the importance of family lines. Just take a look at Leviticus! or at how the gospels of Mathew and Luke begin by using the genealogy of Christ to justify his position in Jewish lore. But hey, where we come from is not relevant! 
    The host is not a lawyer or a therapist. The thoughts and opinions of the host and their guests are just that, thoughts and opinions
    1 hr 7 min
  • The Cult-Like Aspects of Adoption with Lynn Grubb and guest Greg Gentry Pt 1

    Please join the hosts as they have a conversation with Greg Gentry about the beliefs and attitudes that inform the adoption narrative, and the almost cult-like belief that people have in that narrative. In this episode and in part 2, we discuss with Greg the (absence of) scriptural support for adoption.

    Greg Gentry is a domestic adoptee. He has a Masters in Theological Studies

    Lynn Grubb works in the legal field and as a volunteer with CASA. She is known as The Adopted Genealogist on FB and IG and her podcast can be found at:

    The Adoption Experience | a podcast by Lynn Grubb (podbean.com)

    Mentioned in the show:

    ACE (Adverse Childhood Experience) Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) (cdc.gov)

    Steven Hassan's BITE Model of Authoritarian Control - Freedom of Mind Resource Center

    What is Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (CPTSD)? | CPTSDfoundation.org

    Kathryn Joyce | The Child Catchers: Rescue, Trafficking, and the New Gospel of Adoption

    Gregs suggested reading:

    Paul Boyer, When Time Shall be no More

    Bart Ehrman, Jesus, Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millenium

    Albert Schwertzer, The Quest of the Historical Jesus

    The host is not a lawyer or a therapist. The thoughts and opinions of the host and their guests are just that, thoughts and opinions. 

    52 min
  • Intro to The Cultlike Aspects of Adoption with Lynn Grubb and Ande Stanley

    Join us as we discuss with our guests the attitudes and beliefs that influence the adoption narrative and the almost cultlike belief that people have in that narrative, no matter what adoptees may be saying about the flaws in adoption. Beliefs influence law, and until we can change the beliefs that underpin the practice of adoption, changing laws will be difficult. 

     Some resources mentioned in the show:

     Podcasts: A Little Bit Culty, Mark Vicente

    Steven Hassan's BITE Model of Authoritarian Control - Freedom of Mind Resource Center

    Kathryn Joyce | The Child Catchers: Rescue, Trafficking, and the New Gospel of Adoption

    Doctor Ramani – Take your life back. (doctor-ramani.com)

    The Adoption Experience | a podcast by Lynn Grubb (podbean.com)



    The host of the podcast is not a lawyer or a therapist. The thoughts and opinions of the hosts and their guests are just that:thoughts and opinions. 

    53 min
  • Interview with Marilyn Huff
    Marilyn Huff is an ally and advocate for adoptee rights. She is one of the founders of the Facebook group The Search Co-op, and is working on creating a database of the state laws that allow the retention of original birth certificates in adoptions. 
    Mentioned in the episode:
    Debunking Reasons for Birth Certificate Revision:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yAmvXE48P-fL3hz3ZZsWsNhkuCgjx65pDcKDz9YI5ws/edit?usp=sharing
    State Code Birth Certificate Revision Spreadsheet:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IyCC6wPTfQqtFUkZMsTS-RvR5U23aJyVafHYiLwQqQk/edit?usp=sharing
    The Search Co-op: a private Facebook group for people interested in sharing resources to assist individuals to find family lost to adoption or donor conception. Please visit Fb to find the group and apply for membership if interested. 
    Greg Luce and AdopteeRightsLaw.com
    Anti-Adoption: a public Facebook Group
    The host is not a lawyer or a therapist. The opinions of the host and their guests are just that, opinions. Everybody has one. 
    Thank you for listening! Please consider rating the show so that we can be more visible and get the word out to more people about the need to change the laws and the narrative that underpin adoption. Much love, people!
    1 hr 38 min
  • Interview with Beth Figuls

    Beth Figuls is a Baby Scoop Era California adoptee.  California is nortoriously difficult to obtain original documents from. Please join us as we talk about how Beth obtained her identifying information. 

    California adoption laws: Adoption Records (ca.gov)

    ICWA:Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) | Indian Affairs (bia.gov)

    Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA): Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) | Indian Affairs

    ALMA: As far as I can ascertain, this organization no longer exists. Perhaps it does under another name? Please let me know if you know. 

    The opinions of the host and their guests are just that, opinions. The host is not a lawyer. 

    1 hr 28 min
  • Interview with Daphne Keys

    Daphne Keys is a Baby Scoop Era Maryland adoptee. Please join us as we discuss Daphnes attempts to obtain her identifying documents, the recent efforts by Maryland adoptees to pass legislation guaranteeing access, and how taking up quilting has been a source of therapy. 

    Mentioned in the show:

    Baby Scoop Era: a period from 1945 to 1973 where a high rate of adoptions took place in the United States. Shame and coercion were common characteristics of this period. Similar practices occurred in other countries, with varying names given to the phenomenon. 

    Maryland Adoption Law:  Maryland Original Birth Certificates | Adoptee Rights Law

    SB331: A bill that would have allowed Maryland adoptees unrestricted access to their original birth certificates< regardless of year born .MD SB331 | 2021 | Regular Session | LegiScan

    Catholic Charities: Catholic Charities is an arm of the Catholic Church that has been heavily involved in adoption for decades. 

    Unadoptable: a term used for children who were not considered suitable for adoption, usually due to disability or medical conditions, and other factors such as race, age or undesirable appearance. 

    The opinions of the host and their guest are just that, opinions. The host is not a lawyer. 


    1 hr 45 min
  • A Talk about the Different Types of Adoption, with Paige Adams Strickland and Renee Gelin
    Please join the host as they talk with domestic adoptee and author,  Paige Adams Strickland and Renee Gelin, mother and one of the founders of Saving Our Sisters,  about the different types of adoption common in the United States( and a lot of other places).
    Paige is the author of two adoption memoirs and has contributed to several anthologies. Her books can be found at: Amazon.com: Paige Adams Strickland: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle. She blogs at: Akin to the Truth: A Memoir of Adoption and Identity (wordpress.com) She can be found on Facebook at Akin to the Truth
    Mentioned in the episode:
    Saving Our Sisters: Home - Saving Our Sisters (savingoursistersadoption.org)
    Minnesota Adoption Law: Minnesota History of Closed Records and Reform Efforts | Minnesota Coalition for Adoption Reform (mnadoptreform.org)
    History of California Adoption Law: History of Closed Records in California (livejournal.com)
    Title IV, SSI Law regarding funds for adoption and legal guardianship: Social Security Act §473A (ssa.gov)
    Kafala: How Adoption Is Practiced in Islam (learnreligions.com)
    A great resource for information about the laws by state is: Adoptee Rights Law Center PLLC
    The opinions of the host and their guests are just that, opinions. The host is not a lawyer.
    1 hr 49 min

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