The Build Show Podcast

Matt interviews Paul Atherton, CEO of High Spire, about how builders can create generational wealth by leveraging their construction businesses for real estate development. Most builders sell their companies for 1-2x earnings, which isn’t enough to pass down wealth. Instead, Paul outlines three wealth-building pillars: operating a profitable business, investing in real estate, and adding value to assets.

Builders have a competitive edge in real estate because they understand construction costs, materials, and labor, allowing them to budget more accurately than traditional developers. We can invest in land development, adaptive reuse projects, and value-add properties, turning older commercial spaces into high-yield investments. Paul stresses the importance of cap rates, IRR (Internal Rate of Return), and strategic financing; he recommends builders aim for 25% IRR on projects and seek off-market deals.

For those new to investing, Paul advises strengthening branding and marketing, setting anti-goals to maintain work-life balance, and networking with commercial brokers and private investors. Builders should analyze 20 real estate deals per month to understand market trends. While High Spire offers capital investment opportunities, the goal is to help builders become self-sufficient real estate investors.

With real estate offering long-term appreciation and cash flow, builders who reinvest wisely can secure financial freedom for future generations. For expert coaching and funding, visit HighSpire.com.

Thank you to episode sponsor Sugatsune. Learn more at sugatsune.com.

Resources:

• Visit highspire.com for coaching and investment opportunities

Find Paul & Highspire on the Web:

• Instagram: @highspireofficial
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/Highspire/61557059785564/ 
• LinkedIn: Highspire & Paul Atherton

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• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/ 

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This week on the Build Podcast, Matt welcomes Justin Pratt from Builders Firstsource (BFS) back to the ROCKWOOL studio to explore the future of home sales, particularly whether traditional model homes are obsolete. Rising construction costs and changing buyer expectations have made 3-D digital tools a cost-effective and efficient alternative.

With over 398 pre-vetted home plans at BLDRPlan.com, builders can license ready-to-build designs that integrate seamlessly with BFS’s advanced building technologies.

The Home Configure system from BFS allows builders to showcase homes digitally, enabling buyers to explore layouts, customize finishes, and visualize their homes in 3D—all without stepping into a physical model. This streamlines the sales process, eliminates costly last-minute changes, and speeds up construction. By integrating prefabrication and digital modeling, the BFS READY-FRAME® system has been proven to reduce build times by 40%.

What’s next from BFS? They are set to launch a real-time pricing module, similar to automotive “build & price” tools, allowing buyers to see accurate costs for their selections.

Thank you to episode sponsor Viewrail. Learn more at viewrail.com.

Resources:

• BLDR.com
• BLDRPlan.com.

Find Justin on the Web:

• Instagram: @justinprattbfs
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-p-86a7568/

Find Matt and The Build Show on the web:

• Build Show Videos: https://buildshownetwork.com/go/mattrisinger
• Instagram: @risingerbuild and @thebuildshow
• YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@buildshow
• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/

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Matt is solo this week for an in-depth discussion on spray foam insulation, focusing on the differences between closed-cell and open-cell foam and the benefits of creating a conditioned attic space. Traditionally, HVAC systems and ductwork are placed in unconditioned attics in the South, leading to energy loss, duct leakage, and humidity issues. By using spray foam insulation at the roofline, homeowners can effectively seal and condition their attic, improving efficiency and reducing moisture problems.

Matt highlights Owens Corning Ultra-Pure Natural Polymers closed-cell spray foam as his preferred insulation choice, citing its high R-value (~R7 per inch), low VOC emissions, excellent air sealing, and moisture resistance. Unlike open-cell foam, which can allow vapor to pass through, closed-cell acts as a Class II vapor retarder, preventing moisture accumulation at the roof deck. This is crucial in humid climates where improper insulation can lead to condensation issues, a phenomenon known as "ping pong water" that can cause long-term damage to the roof structure.

For humidity control, Matt advises builders to install dehumidifiers or controlled air supply in conditioned attics to maintain proper moisture levels. He also stresses the importance of hiring experienced spray foam contractors, ensuring the correct thickness and installation quality.

Another key topic is roof durability and leak prevention. Matt recommends using full peel-and-stick underlayment beneath metal or tile roofs for long-term water protection. He debunks the myth that spray foam prevents leaks, explaining that small, intermittent leaks can go undetected, leading to hidden rot over time.

Tune in for everything you need to know (and more!) about spray foam insulation.

Thank you to our episode sponsor Aquor Water Systems. Learn more at aquorwatersystems.com.

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• Build Show Videos: https://buildshownetwork.com/go/mattrisinger
• Instagram: @risingerbuild and @thebuildshow
• YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@buildshow
• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/ 

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Live from the ROCKWOOL studio, Matt and Steve explore how to design and construct homes optimized for extreme health, focusing on mold resistance, superior indoor air quality (IAQ), and moisture control. They discuss essential strategies such as building tight, well-ventilated homes to prevent mold growth, using high-performance dehumidifiers, and implementing advanced HVAC systems with MERV 13+ or HEPA filtration. Matt and Steve highlight the importance of managing bulk water through proper site grading, overhangs, and pitched roofs while also considering leak detection systems and waterproofed mechanical rooms.

For improved air quality, Matt and Steve emphasize eliminating duct board, minimizing flex duct, and opting for metal ductwork, which is easier to clean and prevents microbial growth. They also discuss alternatives to standard drywall, such as fiberglass-faced drywall, American clay plaster, or traditional lath and plaster to reduce mold risk. Additionally, ductless HVAC systems, like mini-splits, can further enhance IAQ by eliminating dust-collecting ductwork.

The episode also touches on cost considerations, with case studies showing how clients with severe allergies or mold sensitivities have significantly benefited from controlled indoor environments. Whether you're a builder, architect, or homeowner looking to create a healthier home, this episode provides expert insights into mold-resistant construction, high-IAQ design, and smart moisture management. Listen now for a deep dive into building science solutions for extreme health.

Thank you to episode sponsor MBRICO. Learn more at mbricotiledecks.com.

Find Steve on the Web:

• Build Show Videos: https://buildshownetwork.com/go/stevebaczek
• Instagram: @stevenbaczekarchitect
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbaczekarchitect9431
• Website: https://stevenbaczekarchitect.com/info/

Find Matt and The Build Show on the web:

• Build Show Videos: https://buildshownetwork.com/go/mattrisinger
• Instagram: @risingerbuild and @thebuildshow
• YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@buildshow
• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/

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• Instagram: @risingerbuild and @thebuildshow
• TikTok: @thebuildshow
• YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@buildshow
• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/

Find Jeremy on the web:

• Instagram: @rishermartin
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RisherMartin/ 
• Houzz: https://www.houzz.com/professionals/general-contractors/rishermartin-fine-homes-pfvwus-pf~2046903330? 
• Website: https://www.rishermartin.com/ 

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Matt does a deep dive into foundations and why one foundation might be a better choice than another, depending on your location.

Many foundation styles came about because of frost-line differences. Northern builders might have a 3-foot frost line, which means it's necessary to dig below the frost line to avoid freeze-to-thaw issues in the wintertime. In other parts of the country, there might be a 1-foot frost line so a crawlspace makes the most sense. Finally, in the South and parts of the country with almost no freeze-to-thaw issues, slab on grade works great with a foundation embedded 12 - 18 inches into the existing soil.

Matt considers how a foundation should be done when keeping ducts inside the conditioned space of a home. He focuses on crawlspaces versus slab on grade, with an emphasis on HVAC systems inside the conditioned envelope.

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This week, Matt goes solo to highlight five common construction mistakes made by Texas builders and offers practical solutions to improve building quality.

1. Ductwork in Hot Attics
   Placing ducts in unconditioned attics leads to inefficiency, mold growth, and energy loss. Builders should relocate ducts into conditioned spaces using techniques like closed-cell foam insulation or innovative Rheia duct systems.
2. Cardboard Sheathing
   Flimsy, paper-based sheathing lacks durability and fails to resist air and water infiltration. Durable materials like plywood, OSB, or Huber ZIP-System sheathing offer superior performance and longevity.
3. "Houses Need to Breathe" Myth
   Air leaks degrade indoor air quality and cause microbial growth. Builders should create airtight homes with proper ventilation systems, such as ERVs or HRVs, and incorporate dehumidifiers for moisture control.
4. Poor Stucco Installation
   Improper stucco systems fail when exposed to irrigation. Using resilient materials and ensuring proper drainage can prevent structural degradation and water damage.
5. Steel Windows and Doors
   Non-thermally broken steel frames cause condensation, leading to damage. Thermally broken frames, wood-clad windows, or triple-glazed options are better choices for Texas’s climate.

Matt emphasizes sustainable building practices and learning from past mistakes to Know Better. Build Better.™ He encourages builders to adopt modern techniques to improve energy efficiency, durability, and customer satisfaction.

Find Matt and The Build Show on the web:

• Build Show Videos: https://buildshownetwork.com/go/mattrisinger
• Instagram: @risingerbuild and @thebuildshow
• TikTok: @thebuildshow
• YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@buildshow
• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/

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In this episode of the Build Show Podcast, host Matt Risinger is joined by Lydia Crowder, better known as "Drywall Shorty," a seasoned second-generation drywall contractor from Bozeman, Montana. Together, they dive into the secrets of achieving flawless drywall results, focusing on the critical details that set high-quality builders apart from the competition. Lydia emphasizes the importance of proper framing, noting that uneven or crooked framing creates challenges that cannot be fully corrected with shims or mud. Climate control is another essential factor, as drywall and its compounds are highly sensitive to changes in moisture and temperature. Without consistent conditions, builders risk issues like swelling, shrinkage, or screw pops that compromise the finish.

The conversation also explores the growing demand for modern architectural designs, such as floor-to-ceiling windows and clean, minimalist interiors, which leave little room to hide imperfections. Matt and Lydia discuss the value of temporary jobsite conditioning, such as using air conditioning in hot, humid climates or dehumidifiers in wet conditions, to ensure materials remain stable and perform as expected. Lydia shares practical advice on pre-drywall inspections, framing techniques, and the use of engineered lumber, all aimed at producing high-quality, lasting results.

The episode highlights Lydia’s extensive expertise and her role as an educator in the construction industry, where she has built a significant online following. Matt also promotes the upcoming Build Show Live event in Austin, Texas, where industry experts and educators will gather to share insights and foster growth within the building community.

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Matt teams up with master plumber Eric Aune, aka @mechanicalhub, to explore the “art” of value engineering plumbing systems. They dive right into cost-effective strategies that don’t compromise quality.

Matt and Eric cover the shift from traditional materials like copper to modern solutions such as PEX and PERT, highlighting their affordability, durability, and ease of installation. They also discuss the evolution from cast iron to PVC for drainage, weighing the pros and cons of each.

For homeowners and builders, they stress the importance of investing in high-quality fixtures from trusted brands like Kohler, Moen, and Delta, to avoid costly replacements. They also explore the long-term benefits of durable options like cast iron tubs versus fiberglass alternatives.

They wrap-up with practical tips for designing plumbing systems with maintenance and accessibility in mind, such as using removable walls behind washers and adding floor drains to prevent water damage.

Whether you’re a builder, plumber, or homeowner, this episode offers practical advice on creating efficient, reliable plumbing systems. Don’t miss this engaging discussion with two industry pros!

Find Eric on the web:

• Build Show Videos: https://buildshownetwork.com/go/ericaune
• Instagram: @mechanicalhub
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mechanicalhub
• YouTube: https://www.tiktok.com/@mechanicalhub_eric
• Website: https://mechanical-hub.com/

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• Instagram: @risingerbuild and @thebuildshow
• TikTok: @thebuildshow
• YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@buildshow
• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/

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Live from the ROCKWOOL studio, Matt discusses the pros and cons of fixed-price and cost-plus construction contracts with guest Jeremy Martin, co-owner of Risher Martin, a leading custom homebuilder in Austin. Jeremy shares his firm’s unique approach to fixed-price contracts, emphasizing rigorous pre-construction planning and detailed specifications to ensure predictable budgets and schedules. This method fosters trust and minimizes change orders by clearly defining project scopes, materials, and allowances upfront.

Jeremy explains that fixed-price contracts work even for large-scale renovations by incorporating allowances for potential issues like structural damage. Pre-construction, often a nine to fifteen-month process, includes site inspections, constructability reviews, and close collaboration with architects and designers. While these efforts are treated as a "loss leader," they set the stage for efficient, on-time construction. 

Matt contrasts this with his cost-plus model, which offers clients transparency through access to detailed invoices and flexible budgeting. However, he acknowledges that cost-plus often involves making decisions during construction, increasing the potential for delays or unexpected costs.

Both agree on the importance of peer-to-peer collaboration and continuous learning to navigate industry challenges. They highlight how thoughtful planning and communication can lead to client satisfaction and successful project execution, making it a valuable listen for builders, homeowners, and industry professionals. 

Thank you to episode sponsors:

• Viewrail: learn more at https://www.viewrail.com/
• Benjamin Obdyke: learn more and request your sample kit at buildbetter.com

Find Jeremy on the web:

• Instagram: @rishermartin
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RisherMartin/
• Houzz: https://www.houzz.com/professionals/general-contractors/rishermartin-fine-homes-pfvwus-pf~2046903330?
• Website: https://www.rishermartin.com/

Find Matt and The Build Show on the web:

• Build Show Videos: https://buildshownetwork.com/go/mattrisinger
• Instagram: @risingerbuild and @thebuildshow
• TikTok: @thebuildshow
• YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@buildshow
• Website: https://risingerbuild.com/ and https://buildshownetwork.com/

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