The Business Brew

Jeff and Jason, from the Investing Unscripted podcast, stop by the show for some general investment banter. Decent laughs, hopefully some smart thoughts, and a fun convo. Hope y'all enjoy!

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Adam Wilk, Founder and CIO of Greystone Capital Management discusses all things investing. Prior to launching Greystone, Adam worked in scouting and analytics roles with the San Antonio Spurs and Houston Rockets, followed by commercial credit underwriting at a major bank.

Those roles emphasized disciplined decision-making under uncertainty and long time horizons, which are central to how Greystone evaluates businesses, assesses risk, and allocates capital.

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Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠Trata⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

If you're listening to this podcast, you'll like Trata. Trata is buyside to buyside conversations on individual stocks. Trata makes finding a bull or bear on any stock as easy as clicking two buttons. Over 125 funds globally contribute that collectively cover 2000+ tickers. Trata raised over $3mm coming out of Y Combinator. Before you would track 13Fs, now you can understand what funds are actually thinking. You can join as a lurker or you can join as a contributor and Trata will pay you hundreds of dollars per call. For a free trial, go to ⁠⁠⁠trytrata.com/brew⁠⁠⁠ OG Sponsor Shoutout!

Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.

Some Sunday thoughts and an offer from Bill.

Sponsorship Information

Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠Trata⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

If you're listening to this podcast, you'll like Trata. Trata is buyside to buyside conversations on individual stocks. Trata makes finding a bull or bear on any stock as easy as clicking two buttons. Over 125 funds globally contribute that collectively cover 2000+ tickers. Trata raised over $3mm coming out of Y Combinator. Before you would track 13Fs, now you can understand what funds are actually thinking. You can join as a lurker or you can join as a contributor and Trata will pay you hundreds of dollars per call. For a free trial, go to ⁠⁠⁠trytrata.com/brew⁠⁠⁠ OG Sponsor Shoutout!

Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

DISCOUNT INFO: If you use the affiliate link ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fiscal.ai/brew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, you will automatically get 2 weeks of Fiscal Pro for Free and if you find that you want to upgrade, my link will get you 15% off any paid plans. About ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.

Will Thomson returns! In this episode he has the audacity to suggest oil might be a smarter place to fish than gold. He also discusses copper as a theme.

Bill likes Will. You should listen to Will. Will is a solid dude.

Sponsorship Information

Thank you to ⁠⁠Trata⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

If you're listening to this podcast, you'll like Trata. Trata is buyside to buyside conversations on individual stocks. Trata makes finding a bull or bear on any stock as easy as clicking two buttons. Over 125 funds globally contribute that collectively cover 2000+ tickers. Trata raised over $3mm coming out of Y Combinator. Before you would track 13Fs, now you can understand what funds are actually thinking. You can join as a lurker or you can join as a contributor and Trata will pay you hundreds of dollars per call. For a free trial, go to ⁠⁠trytrata.com/brew⁠⁠ OG Sponsor Shoutout!

Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

DISCOUNT INFO: If you use the affiliate link ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fiscal.ai/brew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, you will automatically get 2 weeks of Fiscal Pro for Free and if you find that you want to upgrade, my link will get you 15% off any paid plans. About ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.

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Abdul Al Assad, founder of Basic Capital, joins the show to discuss why people deserve more leverage in their retirement portfolios. A smart man once said that "men go broke over ladies, liquor, and leverage." Abdul articulates a different version of leverage; specifically medium duration (10 year) non callable, non recourse leverage. In the episode Abdul acknowledges the potential for large market to market drawdowns. That said, he challenges the listeners to think through the long-term implications of what he is saying.

We hope you enjoy the discussion.

Sponsorship Information

Thank you to ⁠Trata⁠ for sponsoring the show.

If you're listening to this podcast, you'll like Trata. Trata is buyside to buyside conversations on individual stocks. Trata makes finding a bull or bear on any stock as easy as clicking two buttons. Over 125 funds globally contribute that collectively cover 2000+ tickers. Trata raised over $3mm coming out of Y Combinator. Before you would track 13Fs, now you can understand what funds are actually thinking. You can join as a lurker or you can join as a contributor and Trata will pay you hundreds of dollars per call. For a free trial, go to ⁠trytrata.com/brew⁠ OG Sponsor Shoutout!

Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

DISCOUNT INFO: If you use the affiliate link ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fiscal.ai/brew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, you will automatically get 2 weeks of Fiscal Pro for Free and if you find that you want to upgrade, my link will get you 15% off any paid plans. About ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.

In this conversation, Jim Hayes, founder of Lucerna GlobalCapital, shares why he thinks there is an opportunity in emerging markets. Prior to founding Lucerna, Jim spent 13 years at Fidelity. Jim's last role at Fidelity was covering a number of sectors in the $35Bn Fidelity Series Emerging Market Fund. This discussion highlights the potential opportunities in Latin America and Southeast Asia.

In other news, thank you for your support. 763,000 minutes were spent listening to this show in 2025. Let's go!

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If you're listening to this podcast, you'll like Trata. Trata is buyside to buyside conversations on individual stocks. Trata makes finding a bull or bear on any stock as easy as clicking two buttons. Over 125 funds globally contribute that collectively cover 2000+ tickers. Trata raised over $3mm coming out of Y Combinator. Before you would track 13Fs, now you can understand what funds are actually thinking. You can join as a lurker or you can join as a contributor and Trata will pay you hundreds of dollars per call. For a free trial, go to trytrata.com/brew 
OG Sponsor Shoutout!

Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

DISCOUNT INFO: If you use the affiliate link ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fiscal.ai/brew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, you will automatically get 2 weeks of Fiscal Pro for Free and if you find that you want to upgrade, my link will get you 15% off any paid plans. About ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.

Bill pops in for a short rant and an update on some of his thoughts. As always, thank you for listening. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Tell the people you love that you love them. "People never get the roses while they can still smell them." - West, Kanye

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Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

DISCOUNT INFO: If you use the affiliate link ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fiscal.ai/brew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, you will automatically get 2 weeks of Fiscal Pro for Free and if you find that you want to upgrade, my link will get you 15% off any paid plans. About ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.

Mark Cooper, founder and CIO of MAC Alpha Capital Management, stops by The Business Brew to discuss the potential opportunity in international markets.

Mark has 20 years of experience in equity investing and almost 9 years in commodity trading, working at top-tier hedge funds and mutual funds with some legendary value investors.

Mark’s experience prior to founding MAC Alpha Capital Management:

• Co-Portfolio Manager, First Eagle Investment Management, 2014 to 2019 | International Small Cap Value strategy.
• Portfolio Manager and Analyst, PIMCO, 2010 to 2014 | Global generalist managing a diversified quantitative U.S. equity fund.
• Partner and Portfolio Manager, Omega Advisors, 2005 to 2010 | Global industrials, capital goods, and commodities/energy sectors.
• Analyst, Pequot Capital Management, 2002 to 2004 
• Portfolio Manager, JP Morgan, 1992 to 2000 | Fixed income, commodities, and foreign exchange asset classes, co-managing a $50 billion notional value portfolio investing in both European and exotic options and managing a $10 billion portfolio focused on long-dated gold and silver.
• Adjunct Professor of Finance and Economics, Columbia Business School, 2004 to 2025| Applied Value Investing

Education and Credentials:

• MBA - Columbia Business School 2002 | Bachelor of Science - Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1991. Former US Army officer Former Vice Chairman of Harlem success academy HSA #2 (a charter school) |Co-author of Value Investing: From Graham to Buffett and Beyond  – Second Edition.

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Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

DISCOUNT INFO: If you use the affiliate link ⁠⁠⁠⁠fiscal.ai/brew⁠⁠⁠⁠, you will automatically get 2 weeks of Fiscal Pro for Free and if you find that you want to upgrade, my link will get you 15% off any paid plans. About ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.

Matthew Quigley, Founder of Draft Line Capital, stops by the show to discuss lending to athletes. Matthew got involved in sports via FSU's booster program. He eventually joined FSU to work on recruiting and coaching students on how maximize NIL earnings.

Matthew now runs Draft Line Capital. Draft Line lends to athletes to help them: with working capital, purchase loss of value insurance, and more. Notably, Draft Line will not lend for frivolous expenses. Learn more listening! Contact Matthew by going to DraftLineCap.com.

Bill references an Amazon show: The Money Game. That is worth a watch for some background.

Sponsorship Information

Thank you to ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ for sponsoring the show.

DISCOUNT INFO: If you use the affiliate link ⁠⁠⁠⁠fiscal.ai/brew⁠⁠⁠⁠, you will automatically get 2 weeks of Fiscal Pro for Free and if you find that you want to upgrade, my link will get you 15% off any paid plans. About ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ is the complete modern data terminal for global equities.

The ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ platform combines a powerful user experience with all the financial data capabilities that professional investors need. 

Users get up to 20 years of historical financials for all stocks globally that they can easily chart, compare, or export into their own models. 

And unlike legacy data terminals where it can take hours or even days, ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠’s data is updated within minutes of earnings reports. 

⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ also tracks all the company-specific Segment & KPI data so you don’t have to. 

• Like to track Amazon’s Cloud Revenue? They’ve got it.

• How about Spotify’s premium subscribers? 

• Or Google’s quarterly paid clicks?

They’ve got all of it.