The Camino Podcast

If you want to know what's happening on the Camino, ask a group or forum moderator. Those tireless, kind-hearted shepherds of Camino discourse perform one of the most thankless tasks of the online world, helping to ensure that new pilgrims can hit the Camino with confidence, and that experienced pilgrims can have a place to connect with a shared community. This episode features two prolific moderators--Laurie/peregrina2000 on Ivar's Camino Forum and Paul Garland on the Camino de Santiago All Routes Facebook group--to look back on major developments and overblown issues on the Camino in 2023. We discuss the general state of pilgrimage discourse, the pushback of some albergues against luggage shipment, the perceived overcrowding crisis in May, the local unhappiness with tourist crowds in Santiago de Compostela, and the recent controversy surrounding the Cruz de Ferro, along with a bunch of other stuff. Along the way, we confirm some concerns, brush away others, and even arrive at some positive developments worth celebrating.

Beyond Jerusalem, Rome, and Santiago de Compostela, Canterbury stands out as perhaps the most significant pilgrimage destination for Christians in the Middle Ages. While Chaucer famously commemorated the route from London in the Canterbury Tales, pilgrims of course traveled from their homes, following a network of different trails. For centuries, one of those was lost to history, until the Old Way, paralleling the coast from Southampton eastward, was rediscovered on a medieval map. Since then, the pilgrimage has been redeveloped, and this episode explores the route with two recent pilgrims. Gail Simmons (travelscribe.org) walked the Old Way during the pandemic, and then documented her experience in vivid detail in her book, Between the Chalk and the Sea. Carol Donaldson (caroldonaldsonwriter.co.uk) took to the trail in post-COVID England, writing about her section walk in the Guardian.

79 rounds of chemotherapy. 4 radical surgeries. 60% of her liver, ten inches of her colon, 2 inches of her stomach, her right lung, and part of her throat--all gone. And yet, however one measures it, Edie Littlefield Sundby (www.themissionwalker.com), author of The Mission Walker, is a living miracle. After being diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in 2007 and told that she had months to live, Edie took to walking first as a means of survival and later as an act of joy and thanksgiving. In time, this led her to the California Mission Trail, for a journey that spanned 1600 miles across the full length of the old Spanish missions in both Alta and Baja California. In this episode, Edie describes her journey of healing, her love of walking, and her latest pilgrimage following the Old Spanish Trail through the southern US.

Let's walk the Via Podiensis together! Whereas many of the pilgrim interviews on the podcast take a thematic approach, focusing on a few big picture issues, this series of episodes will dig more into the specifics of walking. In this tenth and final episode in the series, we finally make it to Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port, thanks to the combined wisdom of four experienced pilgrims. Robert Deming of Fredericksburg, Texas leads us onward from Aire-sur-l'Adour to Navarrenx, and then three high schoolers from Portland, Oregon pick up the baton from there. After completing the journey to Saint-Jean and discussing the suitability of different endpoints for the Via Podiensis, we then cap the series with a "draft" of favorite places along the way. Spoiler alert: the Lot and Célé Valleys do very, very well.

Let's walk the Via Podiensis together! Whereas many of the pilgrim interviews on the podcast take a thematic approach, focusing on a few big picture issues, this series of episodes will dig more into the specifics of walking. In this ninth episode in the series, the Pyrenees are finally breaking the horizon as we continue southward from Condom to Aire-sur-l'Adour. Kevin Greenstreet shares tales from the road, including a visit to the tiniest fortified village in Gers, a lunch he couldn't pass up in Nogaro, and one of the most memorable gites of the whole walk. And since Roman ruins feature prominently in this section--most notably in Éauze and Séviac--Dr. Simon Esmonde Cleary, Emeritus Professor of Roman Archaeology at the University of Birmingham, joins to offer insights into Roman Gaul and lessons learned from an excavation at Éauze.

Let's walk the Via Podiensis together! Whereas many of the pilgrim interviews on the podcast take a thematic approach, focusing on a few big picture issues, this series of episodes will dig more into the specifics of walking. In this eighth episode in the series, we carry on southward from Moissac with pilgrims Dennis and Laurie Brooke of Tacoma, Washington (www.worldrovers.com), following the canal towards Auvillar, slaloming through the hills to Lectoure, greeting the cats in La Romieu, and finally posing for photos at the entrance to Condom. Many pilgrims in this stretch will find their culinary journeys leading them towards duck, which features prominently on the menus in the region. Dr. Jean Lavigne, Professor of Environmental Studies at the College of Saint Benedict and Saint John's University, then shares insights into its prominent role in French cuisine, and the ongoing controversies surrounding foie gras production.

Let's walk the Via Podiensis together! Whereas many of the pilgrim interviews on the podcast take a thematic approach, focusing on a few big picture issues, this series of episodes will dig more into the specifics of walking. In this seventh episode in the series, we finally leave Cahors in the rearview mirror and cross the halfway point en route from Le Puy to Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port. France Fehr, author of On Foot in France: An Unforgettable Adventure on the Camino de Santiago, shares stories from the walk between Cahors and Moissac, a region that also carries scars from the Albigensian Crusade in the early 13th century. Dr. Mark Gregory Pegg, author of A Most Holy War: The Albigensian Crusade and the Battle for Christendom, then explains why everything you think you know about the Cathars is wrong.

Let's walk the Via Podiensis together! Whereas many of the pilgrim interviews on the podcast take a thematic approach, focusing on a few big picture issues, this series of episodes will dig more into the specifics of walking. In this sixth episode in the series, we make our third and final walk between Figeac and Cahors, this time following the GR651 through the Célé Valley. The route is much beloved by walkers and pilgrims, featuring dramatic cliffs, troglodyte villages, medieval fortifications, and prehistoric cave paintings. Kerri Daniels of Sacramento, California, USA offers insights from her two past forays on the route, and then Maureen Cashman (www.maureencashman.com), author of Charlie & Me in Val-Paradis: How My Dog Learned to Bark in French, shares stories from her three years spent living in Espagnac-Sainte-Eulalie.

Dr. Nancy Louise Frey was looking for a topic for her doctoral research when she stumbled into Santiago de Compostela around Saint James Day and discovered a very different sort of pilgrimage than she had previously considered. This set in motion a complicated and extensive process of field work, and ultimately culminated in one of the essential Camino books, Pilgrim Stories: On and Off the Road to Santiago, Journeys Along an Ancient Way in Modern Spain. Since then, Nancy has remained deeply connected to the Camino, living in Galicia, studying the impact of digital technologies on pilgrimage (www.walkingtopresence.com), and leading group pilgrimages (www.onfootinspain.com/tours). This episode explores each of those subjects: Nancy's reflections on the Camino in the 1990s, the risks of smartphones and other technologies on the pilgrimage experience and practical advice for managing that, and the ways that a group pilgrimage can be enriching and rewarding.

Let's walk the Via Podiensis together! Whereas many of the pilgrim interviews on the podcast take a thematic approach, focusing on a few big picture issues, this series of episodes will dig more into the specifics of walking. In this fifth episode in the series, we find ourselves back in Figeac, for the second of three route options leading pilgrims onward to Cahors, the Rocamadour route. And as the name implies, this variant features one of France's most famous and spectacular pilgrimage shrines, clinging to a cliff overlooking the Alzou Gorge. Prolific pilgrims Sean Morton and Sonya Richmond of Ontario, Canada (comewalkwithus.online) share their experiences from the route, and are then followed by Dr. Deana Weibel (deanaweibel.space), author of A Sacred Vertigo: Pilgrimage and Tourism in Rocamadour, France, who discusses the sacred site.