The Camino Podcast

Beverly Chalman of Tennessee set out to walk the Camino Francés with her daughter in June 2019. Traveling from Tennessee to Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port was an exhausting process, with overnight stops in New York City and London, and that first day of walking was similarly taxing. It was on the second day, though, when her pilgrimage veered in a life-changing direction. This is her story.

163 years ago, the Virgin Mary is said to have made a series of appearances before a young Bernadette Soubirous in a grotto in the French Pyrenean town of Lourdes. Some 200 million pilgrims and 70 "official" miracles later, Lourdes stands as one of the world's major Catholic pilgrimage sites, known in particular for that association with miraculous healing. This episode features stories from two different pilgrims to Lourdes. Marlene Watkins, the foundress of Our Lady of Lourdes Hospitality North American Volunteers (lourdesvolunteers.org), has led many groups of volunteers and ill pilgrims to the town. Meanwhile, Lauren Selden visited Lourdes as a walking pilgrim, as part of a larger walk between Le Puy-en-Velay and Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port.

A major part of the power and magic of pilgrimage is how it immerses us in the natural world. While the physical shrines are human built, they're often situated in places of natural splendor. In that way, pilgrimage and the environment are inextricably connected. This episode is a deep dive into that relationship from a few different perspectives. Up first, you'll hear from Yeb Saño, a leading environmental activist in Southeast Asia who has now led multiple climate pilgrimages in the Philippines and Europe. Then, two professors--Kiran Shinde and Daniel Olson--join me to discuss their research on the relationship between religious tourism and the environment. Finally, Reverend Canon Caroline Pinchbeck, from the York Diocese in England shares her perspective from her work with the European Green Pilgrimage Network, a faith-based network of pilgrimage sites.

Right now, as we all long to be able to travel to Santiago de Compostela once more, many of us are thinking about our absence from that sacred place. What about those who remain present in Santiago, though--those who have organized their lives to a considerable degree around attending to pilgrims as they arrive in the city. What have their lives been like during the pandemic and what are they seeing in Santiago right now, deep in the winter (recorded late January, 2021), when reasons for optimism and pessimism seem to clash on a daily basis? This episode focuses on the people behind two well known houses in Santiago. Up first are Nate and Faith Walter, who run Pilgrim House (pilgrimhousesantiago.com) on Rua Nova. They're followed by Sybille Yates, who created Egeria House and authored Pilgrim Tips & Packing List Camino de Santiago (amazon.com/S-Yates/e/B00A9YUYQ2), and has transitioned during the pandemic into running her own little free pantry (littlefreepantry.org).

Let's walk the Camino Inglés together! As in the series on the Camino Francés, this episode features conversations among three experienced pilgrims as they sling stories from the road, share personal highlights, and gnash teeth about route changes. Dave is joined this time by Johnnie Walker, author of the Confraternity of Saint James's guide to the Camino Inglés and many others, and Sean Hampton, his long-time colleague. Spanning just 120km from Ferrol to Santiago de Compostela, the Camino Inglés is a great choice if you have limited time but still want to walk a "complete" pilgrimage. Let us advise you on what to watch for along the way!

After learning about pilgrimage's potential as a peace-building initiative in Episode 49, we now turn to its capacity to promote reconciliatory efforts within a colonial context. Academic and religious leaders are doing this work right now, and this episode focuses on initiatives coordinated by Dr. Matthew Anderson in Canada (www.somethinggrand.ca), and by Jenny Boyack and John Hornblow in New Zealand (www.pilgrimagenz.nz). Combined, they highlight how pilgrimage can provide a space to build a deeper, shared understanding between people and also a closer relationship with the land.

Pilgrimage has the power to change the world and we're only just beginning to understand its potential. One aspect of this is pilgrimage as a peace-building initiative: an act that can help span cultural and religious divides and promote reconciliation. Dr. Ian McIntosh is part of a growing body of researchers studying this phenomenon, and he documents his experiences and insights in his book, Pilgrimage: Walking to Peace, Walking for Change. In this episode, Ian takes us around the world on a quick survey of some of the places where this potential is on display.

Let's re-walk the Camino together! Whereas many of the pilgrim interviews on the podcast take a thematic approach, focusing on a few big picture issues, this series of episodes will dig more into the specifics of walking. After having completed our full re-walk of the Camino Francés, we'll follow our many pilgrim peers onward to the coast, walking towards Finisterre and Muxía. I'm joined in this journey by two pilgrims, Terri Stefanson and Irene Lipshin. Terri is the chapter co-coordinator for the Southern Oregon chapter of APOC, while Irene writes about her pilgrimages at walkingthroughtheages.com.

In his upcoming pilgrim memoir, Into the Thin: A Pilgrimage Walk Across Northern Spain, author Stephen Drew (www.authorstephendrew.com) narrates how he was called to the Camino Francés in the wake of a year that he characterizes as an "emotional crucifixion." In this extended discussion of his journey, Stephen speaks to companionship on the Camino, his processing of guilt, shame, and more personal tragedies than anyone should have to endure, and the insights he ultimately arrived at in Finisterre. Ultimately, it's the story of a walk through the thin places on the Camino de Santiago, a walk towards love and away from guilt and shame.

From a guidebook perspective, it's a great time to be a pilgrim. On the Camino Francés, in particular, there is a growing assortment of outstanding and complementary guidebooks, along with a wealth of other support materials to help inform one's pilgrimage. Over the last year, two new contenders have joined the array of English-language offerings: the Moon Camino de Santiago guide, written by Beebe Bahrami, and the completely overhauled Cicerone Camino de Santiago - Camino Francés book, by Sandy Brown. This episode centers on a conversation with Sandy and Beebe, about guidebooks generally, the pivotal decisions that guidebook authors have to make, and the specific goals they built their Camino Francés guides around.