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In this episode of the Clay Mastermind podcast, host Dawn Grant welcomes Ed Preckel, the dynamic president of Top Gun Shooting Sports, renowned for his contributions to the sporting clays and clay target industry, particularly through the Make-A-Break game. Ed shares his journey from a childhood fascination with shooting to becoming a pivotal figure in the clay shooting world. His story is one of passion, perseverance, and innovation, as he recounts the early days of Top Gun Shooting Sports, which he co-founded in 1994 with a friend, and how it evolved into a family-run business.

Ed's deep-rooted love for shooting began in his youth, inspired by his father's hunting activities and his own early experiences with clay targets. This passion led him to co-create Top Gun Shooting Sports, where he wears multiple hats, from president to head of marketing and advertising. Ed's dedication to the sport is evident as he discusses the challenges and triumphs of running a business that travels across the country, setting up events and promoting the sport of clay shooting.

A significant part of Ed's narrative is the development and popularization of the Make-A-Break game, which he began promoting in 1997. This innovative game has become a staple in the clay shooting community, known for its engaging format and competitive spirit. Ed's vision extends beyond just running a successful business; he dreams of elevating clay shooting to a professional sport, akin to golf or soccer, with widespread recognition and viewership.

Throughout the podcast, Ed emphasizes the importance of family in his journey. His children have been involved in the business from a young age, learning the ropes and contributing to the company's success. This family involvement underscores the personal nature of Ed's work and his commitment to passing on his passion for shooting to the next generation.

Ed's story is not just about business success but also about the broader impact of his work on the shooting sports industry. He highlights the potential for growth and the need for investment to bring clay shooting to a larger audience. His efforts to create a professional league and his involvement in youth shooting programs demonstrate his dedication to fostering a vibrant community around the sport.

In this engaging conversation, listeners gain insight into the world of clay shooting through Ed's experiences and aspirations. His story is a testament to the power of passion and perseverance in achieving one's dreams and making a lasting impact in a niche industry.

Top Gun Shooting Sports

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In this episode of Clay Mastermind with Dawn Grant: Mental Excellence & Industry Insight, host Dawn Grant sits down with Bruce Potter, General Manager of Blackjack Sporting Clays in Florida. With over 20 years of passion and involvement in the shooting sports, Bruce shares his extensive journey—from his early days in Florida to becoming a well-respected figure in the clay shooting community.

Bruce offers valuable insight into the mental side of shooting, emphasizing that mental focus is crucial for success. He explains how fear can hinder performance, and stresses the importance of managing it by setting realistic goals that help shooters stay grounded and confident. He dives into the necessity of learning to lose, sharing personal lessons from both his successes and setbacks, and highlighting how those experiences have helped him grow as a shooter and mentor.

This episode is packed with valuable takeaways for aspiring shooters, seasoned competitors, and anyone looking to strengthen their mental approach. Bruce’s practical advice, grounded perspective, and commitment to the shooting lifestyle make this a must-listen for those looking to improve their performance and enjoyment in the sport.

Bruce Potter & Blackjack Sporting Clays

https://www.blackjackclays.com/

Phone: (352) 569 9469 

Email: [email protected]

Address: 3372 Co Rd 526 Sumterville, FL 33585

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https://mindmastered.com/ 

https://ameliashotgunsports.com/

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Takeaways

·        Bruce Potter has been passionate about shooting for over 20 years.

·        Mental focus is crucial for success in shooting.

·        Fear can hinder performance and should be managed effectively.

·        Learning to lose is essential for growth in competitive shooting.

·        Positive mindset and enjoyment are key to a fulfilling shooting experience.

·        Seeking help can accelerate improvement in shooting skills.

·        Bruce emphasizes the importance of community in shooting sports.

·        Setting realistic goals can help manage fear and expectations.

·        Practice is necessary, but enjoyment should not be overlooked.

·        Bruce's journey illustrates the value of mentorship in shooting. 

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In this episode of the Matson Shooting Academy Podcast, host Cody Matson talks with Chad Roberts of Breakpoint Shooting Instruction, a three-time California In-State Champion, most recently winning the 2025 title. 

Chad’s shooting style has been shaped through years of experience and guidance from some of the most recognized names in the sport. He has trained under Anthony Matarese Jr., Zach Kienbaum, Wendell Cherry, and Ben Hustwaite—each offering different perspectives that helped refine his technical and mental game. He emphasizes that ongoing coaching has been central to his progress, and he encourages shooters at every level to seek structured guidance to accelerate their development. As the owner and head instructor at Breakpoint Shooting Instruction, Chad now applies those lessons to his students. His coaching philosophy is centered around helping each shooter discover and build on their individual strengths. He avoids one-size-fits-all methods, focusing instead on developing routines and habits that lead to consistent results. Chad openly discusses how his own mistakes over the years have become valuable learning tools and how those experiences shape the way he coaches others.

Chad also talks about the value of community within the shooting sports world. As a longtime member of the National Sporting Clays Association (NSCA), he highlights the role that local clubs, national events, and organized competition play in supporting and growing the sport. He credits organizations like the NSCA and sponsors such as Sportsman’s Training Center for helping him and others access high-level training opportunities and a broader network of shooters. 

Chad Roberts - Breakpoint Shooting Instruction

Phone: 949-637-3001

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://poplme.co/hash/zSgH1DVz/1/hs

Cody Matson: (770) 293-8820

Matson Shooting Academy: https://www.matsonshootingacademy.com/

MSA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matsonshootingacademy/

Takeaways

·        He emphasizes the importance of finding one's own shooting style.

·        Coaching is a two-way street; both coach and student learn from each other.

·        Frustrations in competition can lead to growth and improvement.

·        Consistency in performance is key to success in shooting sports.

·        Understanding different shooting techniques is crucial for adaptability.

·        Experience plays a significant role in overcoming challenges in shooting.

·        The competitive spirit drives shooters to continually improve.

·        Community engagement is vital for the growth of shooting sports.

·        A rising tide lifts all boats; collaboration in the shooting community is essential.

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In this engaging conversation, Don Currie, chief instructor of the NSCA, shares his journey from a competitive shooter to a passionate instructor. He discusses the importance of mental training in shooting sports, the dynamics of gender in the sport, and offers valuable advice for aspiring shooters and coaches. The conversation highlights the significance of confidence, the role of mentors, and the need for a strong mental game in achieving success in shooting. Evolution of a Sporting Clays Shooter, Mental Process & Excessive Confidence.

Coach's Bio

Don Currie is the Chief Instructor of the National Sporting Clays Association (NSCA) and one of the most recognized and sought-after professional shotgun coaches, gun fitters and range/course designers in North America. He delivers extraordinary instructional and hunting experiences to clay target competitors, recreational shooters, and discerning sportsmen. Currie is an award-winning author of two books, “Mastering Sporting Clays” and “Gunfitting,” published by Stackpole Books and has launched two highly acclaimed instructional DVDs with Sunrise Productions: “Focus-Movement-Faith” and “Target Tactics for Sporting Clays”. He writes for all of the major shotgun magazines as well as an e-column titled “Ask the Instructor” distributed weekly to over 40,000 sporting clays shooters. He started shooting competitively at age eight, bird hunting at age fourteen and coaching in the shooting sports as a sixteen-year-old apprentice. Currie served for seven years in the military as a US Army Ranger as well as an instructor at the US Army Ranger School and US Army Infantry School culminating in his command of a combat infantry company during Operation Just Cause (Panama, 1989/90). After leaving the Army, Currie transitioned into the corporate world serving 22 years in senior corporate leadership positions culminating in his role as CEO of a $100 million consumer products company.

Throughout his military and business career, he maintained a deep and unrelenting passion for competing in the shooting sports, coaching, and upland bird and waterfowl hunting, and was eventually drawn back to the shooting sports. Currie earned his way to Master Class on the NSCA competition circuit and won a National Championship title in side-by-side shotgun in 2011. Currie was the general manager of an exclusive shooting and hunting preserve in North Florida (The Gilchrist Club, Trenton, FL) where he established an Orvis Wingshooting and Fly fishing School. Since 2014, he has served as the Chief Instructor of the National Sporting Clays Association (NSCA) and, in that capacity, teaches and mentors other sporting clays instructors and administers the NSCA’s instructor program in North America. Through his Academy of Wing & Clay Shooting, Currie continues to provide private and group shotgun instruction, gunfittings, custom shotgun sales, course design and guide services. He lives in Lake Mary, Florida with his wife and family.

Don Currie: https://www.doncurrie.com/

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In this episode of the Matson Shooting Academy podcast, host Cody Matson welcomes Travis Mears, a seasoned shooter and owner of Defender Outdoors Clay Sports Ranch. Travis shares his journey from a young shooter to a competitive athlete, discussing his early experiences, the establishment of his shooting range, and his current competitive season. The conversation delves into the mental strategies required to handle pressure during competitions, the importance of preparation, and the need for consistency in shooting techniques. Travis emphasizes the significance of practice and the mental game in achieving success in shooting sports. In this conversation, Travis Mears shares insights on developing a personal shooting style, the importance of adapting techniques to individual needs, and the significance of stepping out of one's comfort zone. He discusses the '20% rule' for hitting fast targets, the necessity of understanding target presentations, and how to visualize lead and distance. Mears also touches on the crossover between trick shooting and tournament shooting, emphasizing the need to switch mindsets between practice and competition. The discussion concludes with an invitation to upcoming shooting events and a call to explore the world of shooting further.

Travis Mears

Website: https://www.travismears.com/

Defender Outdoors: https://defenderoutdoors.com/

Shotgun Passion with Travis Mears YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf6yvB-9Fa6s59e9uNEOH7w

Cody Matson: (770) 293-8820

Matson Shooting Academy: https://www.matsonshootingacademy.com/

Takeaways

·        Travis founded Defender Outdoors Clay Sports Ranch to combine his passion for shooting with business.

·        He emphasizes the importance of mental strategies in overcoming pressure during competitions.

·        Preparation for competitions involves extensive practice and setting personal goals.

·        Travis believes in the importance of consistency in shooting techniques.

·        He advocates for a focused approach to practice, simulating competition conditions.

·        Travis shares insights on how to handle pressure and maintain composure during shoots.

·        He discusses the significance of visualizing targets and executing routines effectively.

·        Travis highlights the need for shooters to find their rhythm and maintain efficiency throughout their rounds. You have to build your own style and routine.

·        The more tools you have in your toolbox, the better off you'll be.

·        The 20% rule helps with big fast targets.

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In this episode of the Matson Shooting Academy podcast, host Cody Matson interviews Paula Moore, the chief shooting instructor at Orvis Sandanona. Paula shares her journey from being a veterinary technician to becoming a shooting instructor, detailing her experiences in the rigorous Level Three certification process. She discusses the rich history of Orvis Sandanona, the unique customer experience it offers, and the importance of gun fitting. The conversation also highlights the upcoming Shotgun Classic 2025, featuring a star-studded lineup of instructors. In this episode, Paula Moore discusses the upcoming Shotgun Classic event, detailing its structure, the culinary experience, and the unique format of instruction. The conversation emphasizes the importance of inclusivity for all skill levels, the significance of patience in teaching, and the various coaching styles that instructors bring to the event. Listeners are encouraged to sign up and experience the event for themselves, highlighting the value of learning from different instructors and the community aspect of the event.

Email: [email protected]

Phone: (845) 677-9701 

Website: https://www.orvis.com/sandanona-shooting-grounds.html

Address: Sandanona Shooting Grounds, 3047 Sharon Turnpike, Millbrook, New York 12545

Cody Matson: (770) 293-8820

Matson Shooting Academy: https://www.matsonshootingacademy.com/

MSA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matsonshootingacademy/

Takeaways

·        Paula Moore transitioned to shooting in her late twenties.

·        The Level Three certification process is rigorous and challenging.

·        Orvis Sandinona is the oldest licensed hunting preserve in America.

·        Customer experience is a top priority at Orvis Sandanona.

·        Gun fitting is crucial for effective shooting.

·        Paula encourages trying different guns before purchasing.

·        The Shotgun Classic is a significant event in the shooting community.

·        A diverse lineup of instructors will be featured at the Shotgun Classic 2025.

·        Participants can sign up for multiple sessions with different instructors.

·        The event includes high-quality meals and entertainment.

·        Unlimited shooting opportunities are available for attendees.

·        The new format allows for better bonding between instructors and students.

·        Accommodations are available nearby, but not on-site.

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In this episode of the Mattson Shooting Academy Podcast, host Cody Matson interviews Todd Hitch, the 2025 U.S. Open Champion, in a compelling conversation that explores the mindset, preparation, and path behind his major victory. Winning the U.S. Open—one of the most prestigious events sanctioned by the National Sporting Clays Association (NSCA)—is a monumental achievement, marking Todd as one of the top competitors in the sport.

Todd dives into the strategies that led to his success, including a focus on timing, consistency, and maintaining mental composure under pressure. He emphasizes the importance of “letting go” during the shot—trusting his instincts and training rather than overthinking. Aggression and confidence, he explains, are key at the highest levels of competition.

His journey from the Scholastic Clay Target Program (SCTP) to competing on the national stage with the NSCA highlights years of growth, mentorship, and long-term goal setting. Todd reflects on how these experiences helped shape his shooting style and mental approach.

Todd’s success is also fueled by the support of several major sponsors. He is proudly backed by Remington, whose shotguns he relies on in competition; Cole Fine Guns and Gunsmithing, which ensures peak firearm performance; Castellani USA, which outfits him with professional-grade shooting gear; and Jack Link’s, supporting his performance with nutrition and energy.

The episode also touches on Todd’s earlier major win at the Kings Cup, showcasing his continued rise through the sport. His story is one of relentless dedication, adaptability, and passion, offering valuable lessons for aspiring shooters everywhere. Todd Hitch’s 2025 U.S. Open title stands as a powerful testament to what focus and commitment can achieve at the highest levels of competitive sporting clays.

Todd Hitch: (865) 307-2769

Website: https://toddhitch.com/

Cody Matson: (770) 293-8820

Matson Shooting Academy: https://www.matsonshootingacademy.com/

MSA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matsonshootingacademy/

Takeaways

-Todd Hitch emphasizes the importance of timing in shooting.

-He dedicated 20 practice days leading up to the US Open.

-Consistency in technique is crucial for success.

-Mental focus and process-oriented thinking help overcome pressure.

-Todd believes in the importance of staying aggressive during shooting.

-He uses specific training techniques to improve his performance.

-Observing other shooters can provide valuable insights.

-Todd's motivation comes from personal standards rather than competition with others.

-The balance between aggression and caution is key in shooting. Letting go is crucial for making successful shots.

-Recognizing when to pull the trigger is key.

-Long-term goals are essential for success in shooting.

-Winning the Kings Cup was a historic achievement.

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In this episode of the Madison Shooting Academy Podcast, host and guest Mike McHenry dive deep into the dynamic world of sporting clays, offering a compelling blend of personal story, practical wisdom, and performance psychology. Mike shares his fascinating evolution from antique shotgun collector to competitive shooter, revealing how a passion for classic firearms led to a deep commitment to mastering modern clay target disciplines. With decades of experience and a methodical mindset, he discusses what it takes to grow as a shooter—whether you're a weekend enthusiast or striving for podium finishes. Listeners will get an inside look at Mike’s preferred shooting styles, how he approaches training sessions, and why community and mentorship are vital parts of the sport. He also breaks down the mental and visual skills that separate good shooters from great ones—including the power of personal routines, staying present, and reaching the elusive "flow state." From timing and eye-hand coordination to managing performance pressure, overcoming slumps, and building confidence through consistency, this episode is packed with insights for anyone looking to sharpen their edge in sporting clays or just get more enjoyment out of every round. Whether you're new to the sport or a seasoned competitor, Mike’s honest and thoughtful approach to continuous improvement will leave you motivated and more mindful next time you step onto the course.

Cody Matson: (770) 293-8820

Matson Shooting Academy: https://www.matsonshootingacademy.com/

MSA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matsonshootingacademy/

Takeaways

-Mike McHenry has been a shooter all his life, starting with handguns and rifles before transitioning to shotguns.

-Mike has a diverse collection of antique shotguns but now primarily uses target guns.

-He enjoys practicing and believes in shooting two to three targets for every registered target.

-Mike's current target gun is a Caesar Guerini Invictus 5.

-He primarily shoots pull away but varies his method based on the target presentation.

-Mike emphasizes the importance of having a plan before shooting and adapting if things don't go as expected.

-He enjoys the analytical side of shooting, looking for root causes of mistakes.

-He appreciates the camaraderie and community within the shooting sport. You have to build your own routines for success.

-Visual focus is a critical skill in shooting.

-Achieving a flow state enhances shooting performance.

-Timing your eye focus is essential for accuracy.

-Visual challenges can affect shooting performance.

-Confidence plays a significant role in shooting success.

-Setting realistic expectations helps in competitive shooting.

-Plateaus are a natural part of performance improvement.

-Taking breaks can help reset and improve shooting skills.

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In this conversation, Justin Covillon shares his journey from the laboratory diagnostic world to the realm of clay target sports and the creation of GunsBay.com , an online marketplace for firearms. He discusses the importance of community in shooting sports, the challenges faced in launching the platform, and the commitment to giving back to the shooting community. The conversation highlights the camaraderie among shooters and the innovative approach to making gun sales more accessible and trustworthy. In this conversation, Justin Covillon discusses the intricacies of gun sales, focusing on the importance of vetting processes, auction dynamics, and the unique stories behind certain firearms. He shares his experiences at the Holts auction, the challenges of importing firearms, and the significance of community and networking within the gun industry. Justin emphasizes the importance of customer service and building trust with clients as he aims to grow his business, Guns Bay. Justin Covillon is a competitive shooter trying to bring a better option to the firearm industry where its more safe, cheaper, and simple to be in the marketplace 

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gunsbayinsta/

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/people/GunsBay/

Cody Matson: (770) 293-8820

Matson Shooting Academy: https://www.matsonshootingacademy.com/

MSA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matsonshootingacademy/

Takeaways

-Justin transitioned from the laboratory diagnostic world to clay target sports during COVID.

-He emphasizes the strong sense of community and camaraderie in shooting sports.

-Guns Bay was created to provide a modern online marketplace for firearms.

-The platform aims to simplify the buying and selling process for firearms.

-Guns Bay aims to support the shooting community through sponsorships and events.

-The platform offers a low-cost listing option for sellers to encourage participation.

-The conversation underscores the importance of trust and transparency in online gun sales. Vetting is crucial for both buyers and sellers in gun sales.

-Good protections are in place for transactions.

-Unique firearms often come with fascinating histories.

-Experiencing the Holtz auction was a memorable event.

-Importing firearms involves navigating various regulations.

-The community aspect enhances the experience of gun enthusiasts.

-Customer service is a priority for building trust.

-GunsBay aims to alleviate headaches for customers.

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In this conversation, Bill Davis shares his journey from a hobbyist choke maker to the founder of Pure Gold Chokes. He discusses the challenges he faced, including financial struggles and the decision to pursue entrepreneurship full-time. Bill reflects on the importance of perseverance, the lessons learned from his experiences, and how he has found balance in retirement while overcoming worries about the future. In this conversation, Bill Davis shares his journey of building a successful business in the clay shooting industry, emphasizing the importance of customer service, product quality, and community support. He discusses the evolution of clay shooting events and how his company, Pure Gold Chokes, stands out in the market. The conversation also delves into the mental aspects of competition, the impact of social media on reputation, and the significance of letting go of worry to achieve personal and professional success. In this conversation, Bill Davis shares insights on self-reliance, the importance of learning, and the evolving role of women in competitive shooting. He emphasizes the need for a mindset shift to overcome challenges and achieve personal goals. The discussion also touches on cultural dynamics and the barriers women face in sports, highlighting the progress made and the potential for future achievements.

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Pure Gold Chokes

Phone: (803) 328-6829

Website: https://puregoldchokes.com/

Address: 2258 Brattonsville Road, McConnells, South Carolina

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https://mindmastered.com/ 

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Takeaways

·        Bill started the shotgun choke business in 1998 as a hobby.

·        He transitioned from a tool and die maker to a choke manufacturer.

·        Getting an order from Bass Pro Shop was a turning point.

·        Entrepreneurship requires either a large bank account or thick skin.

·        Self-employment often leads to working more hours than a traditional job.

·        Worrying less has improved his quality of life.

·        Participating in events helps build brand recognition.

·        Product quality and customer service are crucial for success.

·        Community support is vital in competitive industries.

·        Letting go of worry can lead to better performance.

·        Focus and presence are essential for success.

·        The importance of instruction in mastering new skills.

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