"The Cognitive Revolution"

For the end of the year, we're going to repost a few of Nathan's favorite AI scouting episodes from other shows. Today: Samuel Hammond joins the Future of Life Institute podcast to discuss how AGI will transform economies, governments, institutions, and other power structures. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

Samuel Hammond is a Canadian-born, DC-based senior economist for the Foundation for American Innovation, a think tank focused on bridging the cultures of Silicon Valley and DC. This conversation is super wide ranging, covering the most likely default path to AGI, the economic and institutional transformations that AI will beget, the critical distinction between thinking about AI in isolation versus as part of a dynamic system, the proposal for a Manhattan or Apollo like megaproject for AI safety, and lots more.

You can subscribe to Future of Life Institute here: https://futureoflife.org/project/future-of-life-institute-podcast/

You can read Samuel Hammond's blog at https://www.secondbest.ca

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We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro: End of year and bonus episodes

(04:24) Discussion on AI Timelines

(14:08) Insights from Information Theory

(15:11) Sponsors: Shopify | MasterClass

(32:12) AI Progress and Hard Steps in Evolution

(34:21) Sponsors: NetSuite | Omneky

(39:12) Government Preparedness for Advanced AI

(46:16) The Internet's Role in Mass Mobilization and Erosion of Trust

(01:05:47) The Role of AI in Monitoring and Surveillance

(01:27:18) The Potential Dangers of Open-Sourcing AI

(01:36:24) The Influence of AI on Society and Privacy

(01:42:21) The Future of Government Services in a Techno-Feudalist Society

(01:53:58) The Future of AI in Robotics

(02:15:25) The Role of AI in the Future of Financial Markets

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In today's conversation, Nathan joins Rob Wiblin, host of The 80,000 Hours Podcast to discuss why we need more AI scouts, OpenAI's safety record, and redteaming frontier models. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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LINKS:

80,000 Hours Episode Show Notes: https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/nathan-labenz-openai-red-team-safety/

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:05:12) - Rob’s intro

(00:10:50) - Interview begins

(00:15:50) - Intro toThe Cognitive Revolution excerpt

(00:19:13) - Excerpt from The Cognitive Revolution: Nathan’s narrative

(01:22:10) - Why it’s hard to imagine a much better game board

(01:28:14) - What OpenAI has been doing right

(01:40:12) - Arms racing and China

(01:46:10) - OpenAI’s single-minded focus on AGI

(01:56:55) - Transparency about capabilities

(02:05:56) - Benefits of releasing models

(02:17:14) - Was it ok to release GPT-4?

(02:35:31) - Why no statement from the OpenAI board

(02:55:59) - Ezra Klein on the OpenAI story

(03:16:59) - The upside of AI merits taking some risk

(03:31:44) - Meta and open source

(03:42:26) - Nathan’s journey into the AI world

(03:48:18) - Rob’s outro

In this episode, Nathan does an emergency pod deep dive into Mamba, a new state space model architecture. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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@labenz (Nathan)

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:03:15) - Inventing something better than the transformer

(00:05:17) - Examination of human cognition

(00:15:44) - Sponsor: Shopify

(00:27:00) - Weaknesses of the transformer

(00:30:16) - Sponsor: Netsuite | Omneky

(00:33:40) - Giving AI memory

(00:39:32) - State Space Model Revolution

(00:55:00) - SRAM and High Bandwidth Memory

(01:36:16) - Block State and Hyena models

(02:04:00) - Advancing AI safety and interpretability

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this video, Nathan chats to Dan Shipper, CEO and Co-founder of Every, for the series "How I Use Chat-GPT". They discuss Nathan's prompting techniques for creative and cognitive labour, and using GPT in copilot instead of delegation mode. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

Watch the rest of the series, "How I Use ChatGPT", here: https://www.youtube.com/@EveryInc

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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@labenz (Nathan)

@danshipper (Dan)

@CogRev_Podcast (Cognitive Revolution)

@Every (Every)

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:03:57) - Copilot vs delegation mode

(00:11:06) - ChatGPT for coding

(00:14:29) - Building a prompt coach

(00:28:22) - Best practices for using Chat-GPT

(00:43:55) - The “dance” between you and AI

(00:50:16) - Using GPT as a thought partner

(00:52:07) - Using GPT for diagrams

(01:03:18) - Using Perplexity instead of a search engine

(01:12:00) - What's ahead for AI

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Marius Hobbhahn, CEO of Apollo Research, sits down with Nathan Labenz to discuss Apollo’s research in AI deception, interpretability, and affordances. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.

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@labenz (Nathan)

@MariusHobbhahn (Marius)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@CogRev_Podcast

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:05:40) - Understanding the Role of Apollo Research 

(00:08:02) - The Evolution of AI Safety

(00:11:30) - Apollo’s Framework

(00:15:10) - Sponsors: Shopify 

(00:16:49) - Understanding AI Affordances and Resulting Interactions in the World

(00:31:00) - Sponsors: Omneky

(00:39:00) - Interpretability and deceptive alignment 

(00:45:55) - Why might deception arise in the first place?

(00:47:46) - Understanding deceptive alignment 

(00:57:49) - New Architectures

(01:02:23) - Interpretability at deployment phase

(01:03:35) - Deception in AI | A Case Study

(01:09:03) - Deceptive AI Stock Trader

(01:18:51) - Impact of discouragement on unethical AI behaviour

(01:19:45) - Giving the AI a Reasoning Scratchpad and Impact on Deception

(01:21:06) - Double-edged sword of removing the scratchpad

(01:23:00) - Analyzing impact of model size on insider training 

(01:28:00) - Challenges and necessity of 3rd Party Auditing

(01:31:00) - Role of government in regulation 

(01:52:17) - How can individuals get involved in red teaming?

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

Balaji Srinivasan, investor, former CTO at Coinbase and GP at a16z, and writer of The Network State, joins Nathan to discuss polytheistic AI and AI gods, human-AI symbiosis, how AI will be controlled, and much more. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

X/SOCIAL:

@labenz (Nathan)

@balajis (Balaji)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@CogRev_Podcast

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:06:07) - Evolution of AI Systems

(00:09:39) - Challenges of AI Robustness

(00:29:54) - Intersection of AI and Politics

(00:52:14) - Regulation

(00:52:44) - Slippery slope of precedent setting

(00:54:00) - Role of AI in political chaos

(00:54:41) - Emergence of decentralized AI

(01:05:39) - AI's future as amplified intelligence

(01:1300) - Polytheistic model of AI

(01:32:00) - Role of AI in Habitat Degradation

(01:33:32) - AI's ability to do differential diagnosis

(01:34:04) - ABC of economic apocalypse: AI, Bitcoin, China

(01:36:00) - Evolution of AI in chess and medicine

(01:38:22) - Difference between AI existential threat and economic disruption

(01:40:19) - Impact of cryptography on public infrastructure

(02:07:40) - Role of tribalism in AI

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Alan Cowen, CEO and Chief Scientist at Hume AI, an emotional intelligence startup working on creating emotionally aware AI. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

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@labenz (Nathan)

@AlanCowen (Alan)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@CogRev_Podcast

LINKS:

Hume: https://hume.ai/

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:04:52) - How do you define happiness? How can AI make people happy?

(00:08:40) - The striking experience of trying the Hume demo

(00:09:16) - Building multimodal models using facial expressions, vocal signals, speech patterns

(00:12:27) - How Hume’s models have an advantage of LLMs when it comes to interpreting emotions

(00:13:23) - Assembling diverse datasets of emotional judgments via surveys

(00:15:27) - Sponsors: Shopify

(00:22:00) - Across populations, what is common or different in people’s judgement of facial expressions

(00:26:00) - Interrater reliability for training data

(00:30:48) - Sponsors: Omneky

(00:33:20) - The unique labelling of “awe” across different cultures

(00:36:23) - Customizing models for cultural emotional expression norms

(00:41:13) - How they determined the set of emotions recognized by the model

(00:42:50) - Schadenfreude as a unique example of semantic space research

(00:49:00) - Custom models

(00:52:42) - Using Hume in B2B contexts

(00:59:49) - The cost comparison of having a human analyze emotions vs AI

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Nora Ammann, cofounder and CEO of PIBBSS (Principles of Intelligent Behavior in Biological and Social Systems), a research initiative focused on the principles of intelligent behavior in biological and social systems. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

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@labenz (Nathan)

@AmmannNora (Nora)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@CogRev_Podcast

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) - Introduction to Nora Amman and PIBS

(00:03:25) - Nathan's view that society is not ready for rapid AI development

(00:05:55) - Nora's framing of AI safety, alignment, and risks

(00:09:31) - The problem of epistemic access to future AI systems

(00:12:36) - Categorizing different research approaches to AI safety

(00:15:46) - Seeking epistemic robustness through plural perspectives

(00:19:00) - Expecting AI systems to continue getting more powerful and different

(00:21:13) - Nora's "third way" research approach using biological and social systems

(00:25:00) - Defining intelligence broadly across systems that transform inputs to outputs

(00:27:29) - Avoiding analogies and anthropomorphism when studying AI systems

(00:30:23) - Using multiple perspectives and assumptions to triangulate understanding

(00:35:13) - Translating concepts between domains more multifaceted than just "borrowing"

(00:38:15) - Learning from interdisciplinary practices like bioengineering

(00:42:05) - Key questions about the nature of intelligence and agency

(00:46:38) - Understanding hierarchical levels of agentic behavior

(00:49:32) - Aligning goals between individuals and organizations

(00:53:27) - Assessing the validity of assumptions and analogies about AI

(00:58:57) - Informing AI interpretability and evaluation with theory

(01:02:12) - Modeling interactions between AI systems

(01:04:56) - Using ecology as a framework for AI interactions

(01:07:46) - Developing a computational ecology theory

(01:11:45) - Learning from historical examples of societal transformations

(01:16:59) - Unprecedented speed and autonomy of AI development

(01:19:00) - PIBS programs for connecting researchers across domains

(01:23:39) - Seeking researchers to tie theory to concrete AI applications

(01:26:45) - Need for productive disagreement on AI risks and solutions

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan chats with Josh Albrecht, CTO of Imbue. They discuss how to create agents for reasoning, reliability, and robustness. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. 

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

SPONSORS: 

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

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@labenz (Nathan)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@CogRev_Podcast

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) – Episode Preview

(00:07:14) – What does it mean to be a research company?

(00:10:25) – How is the reasoning landscape these days and how might it evolve?

(00:11:03) – Data quality is highly important

(00:21:15) – What’s the difference between good features and a good world model?

(00:27:31) – The impact of new modalities on reasoning

(00:29:15) – How much can reasoning and knowledge be separated?

(00:45:13) – Imbue demo and are they building their own LLMs or using others?

(00:49:37) – Does Imbue have a deal with Nvidia?

(00:57:48) – Carbs framework

(01:12:57) – Imbue’s involvement with policy and and AI safety

(01:16:23) – Takeaways from AI Safety Summit and Biden’s Order

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

In this episode, Nathan chats with Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel, to discuss how AI might shape the future of code, software 2.0, and the open source question in AI. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

SPONSORS:

Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive

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NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

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@labenz (Nathan)

@rauchg (Guillermo)

@CogRev_Podcast

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00:00) - Introductory comments

(00:03:43) - Rauch's background in open source software like Mootools and Next.js

(00:04:27) - Overview of Vercel and the front-end cloud concept

(00:06:15) - Productivity gains from Vercel's front-end infrastructure

(00:14:50) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky

(00:21:00) - Rauch getting inspired by GitHub Copilot code auto-completion

(00:24:00) - Launching Vercel's own AI product vZero: production-ready UI code from natural language prompts

(00:29:17) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite

(00:30:00) - Transition to discussing the future of software development

(00:34:12) - vZero surpassing Rauch's own hand-coded website on accessibility

(00:51:00) - Discussion about focusing on the full stack beyond just the AI model

(00:54:00) - Concept of Software 2.0 using data and AI instead of classical code

(00:56:00) - Maintaining software 1.0 while aggressively expanding into 2.0 paradigm

(00:56:12) - Philosophical support for open source and skepticism about risks

(00:57:12) - How open source software tends to quickly improve over time

(00:57:47) - Prediction that AI may "ossify" existing software 1.0 technologies

(01:01:12) - AI enabling more grassroots innovation like Mark Zuckerberg originally did

(01:07:00) - Concerns about regulatory suppression of open source AI progress

(01:03:00) - Unpredictability of new risks that could emerge like impersonation

(01:11:00) - Rejecting AI doom narratives but staying vigilant on capabilities

(01:12:00) - Concluding thoughts on embracing AI progress with appropriate caution

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