The determinetruth Podcast

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie explore Revelation 19:11-16, unpacking the profound implications of the Second Coming of Christ. With insightful commentary and thoughtful analysis, they navigate the intricate symbolism and theological significance of this pivotal moment in Christian eschatology.

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Show Notes

19:11-21:8 Bridge section: sits in the middle of the accounts of the two women

The Great Prostitute (17:1-19:10) and the Bride (21:9-22:9)

Four clearly marked sections in the Apocalypse: 1:9-3:22; 4:1-16:21; 17:1-19:10; 21:9-22:9

1:9-10; 4:1-2; 17:1-3; 21:9-10: “come”; “In the spirit”; Location change 

I have labeled 19:11-21:8 as a “fifth bridge section”—even though chronologically it is the fourth section in the Apocalypse.

Because it is not marked as one of the 4 main scenes. but it is clearly a distinct section 

In the narrative, it seems like the Holy city can’t descend because the enemies of Christ/people of God have not been judged

This means that before the Holy City/New Jerusalem descends, Christ must first descend and judge the enemies of God (beast, FP, Dragon, Death/Hades).

This “bridge section” (19:11-21:9) is comprised of five units. 

• The 1st unit (19:11-16) Christ descends –judge

• 19:17-21 Beast and FP (19:20b)

The descent of Christ (19:11-16)

• White horse: Divine warrior

• Satan/Dragon 12:3

• “trampled”: 3x 11:2; 14:20; 19:15

• “Word of God” 7x (1:2, 9; 6:9; 17:17; 19:9, 13; 20:4)

The armies that are in heaven were following Him (19:14)

• Sharp sword

• LXX rendering of Ps 2:9

• “Lord God, Almighty” 7x (1:8; 4:8; 11:17; 15:3; 16:7; 19:6; 21:22). 

• Title for God alone: (Deut 10:17; 1 Tim 6:15)

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Welcome to Determinetruth Podcast where we explore profound questions about identity and theology. In today's episode, Rob sits down with Jason Staples, author of "Paul and the Resurrection of Israel," delving into the enigmatic concept of "Who is Israel?" Unraveling layers of history and theology, they navigate Paul's intricate perspectives, shedding light on the resurrection and its profound implications. Join us for a thought-provoking journey into ancient texts and contemporary debates.

NOTE: we apologize that the sound quality is not up to our standards. Rob's voice is too low and our guest's is a bit scratchy. Thanks for understanding. 

NOTE: You may also view this episode on the Determinetruth YouTube page: search under the Dealing With Difficult Questions playlist

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Show notes

Deut 18:18 “Raise up a prophet like me”

Deut 34:10-12

Deut 30:1-14

Jer 31:31-34

Ezek 36:24-38

Acts 2: Pentecost: commemorates God’s voice on the mountain and gives them the Torah

Luke 22:29-30 12 tribes

Acts 1:6-8 Are you going to restore the kingdom to Israel?

Deut 4:27

Isa 66:18-24

Hos 1:9-10; 2:23

Jer 3

Ezek 37:1-10 Dry bones are the house of Israel

Ezek 37:15-23 Two sticks: Israel and Judah

• Israel must first be resurrected

Luke 15:11-32

Psalm 82

Romans-Galatians

• Israel needs restoration

Mark 12:28-37

Deut 6:4-6 Shema

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie finish their discussion of the judgment of the Great Prostitute (Rev 17:1-19:10). They reveal how this biblical narrative offers hope and justice for the marginalized and oppressed. Unveiling layers of significance, we illustrate how the message transcends its ancient context, resonating profoundly with contemporary struggles. Join us as we illuminate the transformative power of divine judgment, revealing its inherent promise of liberation for the downtrodden and disenfranchised.

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Judgment of the Great Prostitute

She is drinking from her own cup: “in the cup which she mixed, mix double for her” (18:6). 

18:9-19 3 Laments over the destruction of Babylon

18:9-10 “And the kings of the earth”

• Kings who lived sensuously with her lament

18:11a; 15-17a  “And the merchants of the earth”

• the merchants of the earth, “who became rich from her” (18:15), lament because with her destruction, “no one buys their cargoes any longer” (18:11). 

18:17b-19 “And every shipmaster and all who travel by ship and sailors and as many as make their living on the sea”

• “all who had ships at sea” and who, “became rich by her wealth” (18:19) lament because “in one hour she has been made desolate” (18:19). 

John provides a list of goods (18:12-13)

• 28 = 7x4

“A strong angel” (18:21)

Strong angel (7x) 5:2; 10:1, 5, 8, 9, 10; 18:21-only in 3 passages! 

Great Multitude” only 3x! 7:9; 19:1, 6

3 hallelujahs: 19:1, 3, 6

“Avenge” occurs only 2x (6:10; 19:2)

Clothing

Contrasts the Great Prostitute’s nakedness (17:16).

“The fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints” (19:8).

Luke 18:8 “when the Son of Man comes will He find faith on the Earth? 

Did you know that discerning the Great Prostitute of Revelation 17-18 is perhaps more important for the church today than understanding the Beast and the Mark of the Beast? In this episode, Rob and Vinnie look at John's description of the Great Prostitute in Rev 17-18. More importantly, they ask: "Who/what is the Great Prostitute today?" Their answer is revealing.

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Show notes:

The Great Harlot 17:1-19:10; The Bride 21:9-22:9

She sits on many waters 17:1; Which are people 17:15

17:6; 18:24 “slain”

“I was amazed after seeing her: greatly amazed” (17:6)

• “amazed” 4x: 13:3; 17:6, 7, 8

She is sitting on the Beast (17:3) 

• She “says in her heart, I sit as a queen’” (18:7)

Note who is ruling! It is not empire per se. It is the economic, commercial side of the empire

The Beast, the FP, and the Dragon = Satanic Trinity

The Beast, the FP, the Prostitute

• The empire, embodied by the Beast, rules

• The False Prophet is the source of the propaganda that demanded the worship of the Beast

John: wants us to see the Great Prostitute for what she really is: her wealth was brought about through deception, slavery, and murder

• “by means of your sorcery all the nations were deceived” (18:23)

“These will make war with the Lamb” (17:14)

“And those who are with Him [the Lamb] are called, chosen, and faithful” (17:14)

Empires are often destroyed by forces from within.

John’s use of women: misogyny/patriarchy?

1. Revelation also portrays the people of God as the Bride

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie begin to look at the 3rd main section of the Book of Revelation--the account of the Great Prostitute. This account does not get enough attention when it comes to understanding the Book of Revelation. Rob argues that this section may be one of the most important parts of the Book of Revelation. Have we been seduced by the Great Prostitute? 

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Show Notes: 

17:1-6

1. 17:18 Great City: Rome

1. Babylon: epitaph for Rome 

Babylon is materialism; commercialism; food, clothing, shelter; comfort; pleasure

 4 main stories/scenes

• John taken to a new location (Patmos, Heaven, Wilderness, Mountain)

The Great Prostitute and the Bride

Contrasting visions of two women 

• The two women are actually cities 

• The Great Prostitute, Babylon, a voice says, “Come out of her, My people” (18:4). 

17:1-19:10 is a courtroom scene

• the people of God function as the plaintiffs. 

Revelation is critiquing empire and offering an alternative kingdom

The book of Revelation must be viewed through the lens of contrasting kingdoms.

Wilderness is where the people of God are! (3x 12:6, 14; 17:3) 

There are 4 women in the book of Revelation: Jezebel (2:20-23); Woman 12:1-17; Great Prostitute (17:1-19:10); Bride (21:9-22:9)

John’s portrait of her suggests that she is attractive and seductive. 

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie look at Rev 16:1-21 and discuss the nature of the 7 Bowls and their role in the book of Revelation. This discussion includes an extensive look at the 6th Bowl and the famed "battle of Armageddon." Why do some manuscripts say, "Harmageddon." What is this battle? Well, it is likely not what you think. 

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Show notes: 

There are 2 main stories (4 main scenes: first two are stories)

• 1-3 John on Patmos 

16:21 marks the end of the second story (the heavenly vision) which began in 4:1 

This leads to the conclusion that the Seven Bowls are a depiction of the final judgment

16:1 voice from the Temple (15:6; 14:15, 17, 18)

The “it” that became a bad and evil sore I suspect is the Mark of the Beast itself

Sea is a common image of the place of opposition to God

16:5-7 Interjections: God is just

4th Bowl: see 7:14

5th Bowl: The Beast’s actions lead to their inevitable consequences–utter darkness 

In both the Sixth Trumpet and the Sixth Bowl, there is an army crossing the “Euphrates” (9:14; 16:12): these are only two references to the “Euphrates” in the book of Revelation

Three unclean spirits like frogs (16:13). Allusion to the Exodus story–plague of frogs

In case we were uncertain as to the nature of the frog-like beings, John adds, “they are the spirits of demons doing signs” (16:14). 

False Prophet: the ability to perform signs was one of its primary features (13:13-14) 

• The signs that he performed were the means by which he “deceives” the nations (13:14).

16:15 is a parenthetical insertion

• These words echo the message to the church in Sardis (3:3). 

“Armageddon”—“battle of Megiddo”

“Harmagedon”—“mount of Megiddo.”

Zech 2:11; Ezek 38-39

16:17-21 7th Bowl 

“It is done” (16:17)

“Theophanic manifestations”

• 4:5 Throne Room

A “talent” 

Join us on a scholarly expedition through Revelation 15 as Rob and Vinnie delve into the introductory passage heralding the Seven Bowls. Delving deep into the nuances of biblical interpretation, we unravel the complexities of eschatological literature with precision and scholarly rigor. Through meticulous examination and scholarly discourse, we illuminate the intricacies of Revelation, shedding light on its profound implications for contemporary understanding. If Revelation is a love story, as Rob proposes, then how do "the Seven Bowls of the wrath of God" fit into this story?

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Show Notes Rev 15:1-8

15:1-16:20: third series of seven (Seals; Trumpets; Bowls)

The key is to recognize that God’s delay means 2 things:

1. It was intended to provide the nations with the opportunity to repent. 

I Saw 15:1; I heard 16:1 

15:5; 11:19 Temple opened

The seven angels who are given “seven golden bowls” (15:7; cp 5:8) 

The Seven Bowls, the saints’ cry for justice is now being answered. 

Each of the Seven Bowls is “poured out” (16:1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12, 17). 

16:6: the angel of the waters who cries out “Righteous are you, . . . because they poured out the blood of the holy ones and of the prophets”

15:2 Sea of glass (cp 4:6)

Harps (15:2; 5:8; 14:2) victory after war

 Came out of the temple (15:5-6)

“Bowl” occurs 12x!

“7 Bowls”: 4x 15:7; 16:1; 17:1; 21:9; 

In the OT, smoke is a regular symbol of the presence of God.

• Smoke (12x) 8:4; 9:2**, 3, 17, 18; 14:11; 15:8; 18:9, 18; 19:3

Join hosts Rob Dalrymple and Vinny Angelo in an immersive journey through the book of Revelation, focusing on the powerful themes and imagistic richness of Chapter 14. Engage in an in-depth exploration of the prophetic representation of the final judgment, the ideological battles fought by the witnessing saints, and the looming consequences of choosing the wrong side in this cosmic war. Discover the seminal connections between Old Testament prophetic language and Revelation's vivid imagery, shedding new light on ancient prophecy in the context of the New Testament's final book.

Together, let's explore the complexities of Revelation 14 and its timeless teachings.

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Show Notes: 

12:1-16:20, John adds more details to the story. 

12:1-18 we learned that the “war” (11:7) against the people of God is none other than that which Satan has waged against the people of God from the beginning. 

13:1-18 we learned that Satan (the Dragon) enlists the aid of two Beasts to do his work for him. 

14:6-20 John begins to bring this section to a close by introducing us to the final judgment

• Section the forms around seven beings: six angels and “One like the Son of Man” (14:14).

 John refers to “another angel” (14:6, 8, 9, 15, 17, 18)

In the first triad, the angels are even counted

The first triad of angels: each of the angels makes a pronouncement: “saying” (14:7, 8, 9).

The second triad of angels: each of the angels either, “came out of the temple” (14:15, 17), or “came out from the altar” (14:18)

The second triad: each either has, “a sharp sickle” (14:17) or commands those who have such a sickle to, “Send your sickle (14:15, 17) 

The first 3 angels: the struggle between true and false worship

Interruption: 14:12-13: “Persevere”

• 13:10 “here is the patient endurance and the faith of the saints” (close of Beast #1)

The One like a Son of Man: Jesus

Two distinct harvests:

• In the first harvest (14:14-16), the “One like a Son of Man” is commanded to “reap” (14:15)

1st = is associated with the harvesting of the righteous. 

2nd = is a harvesting of the unrepentant for judgment.

Trampled (3x: 11:2; 14:20; 19:15)

• Lex talionis

 1600 stadia (4x4 x 10x10)

The prayers of the Saints (5:8; 6:10; 8:3-4)

Luke 18:1-8

In today's episode, Rob and Vinnie continue the discussion of the False Prophet and the Mark of the Beast. Who is the False Prophet and what does it look like today? What is the Mark of the Beast and how can we be sure we don't get it? 

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Show notes: 

The False Prophet appear together in 16:13

The False Prophet’s role as a deceiver: “it deceives those who inhabit the earth” (13:14).

The Greek word for “beast” is therion.

• Therion is a transliteration, or letter-for-letter equivalent, of the Greek word for “beast.” (See 9:11; 16:16)

The number of his name” (13:17): The most widely held conviction is that it refers to Nero.

• one must use the Greek version of Nero’s Latin name (Neron) and then transliterate it into Hebrew

There is little doubt that the Mark on the followers of the Beast mimics the Seal of God on the 144,000.

• The Mark and the Seal are on the foreheads likely connotes a sign of ownership

“Zion” often becomes synonymous with Jerusalem.

Like the voice of many waters (14:2)

• Jesus’ “voice was like the voice of many waters” (1:15)