00:58 - The Deviates aftermath 

02:15 - Unpacking the process 

03:45 - The secret 

06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration 

10:50 -  Battling platform censorship 

13:50 - The reveal 

16:45 - Great art can come from anywhere 

20:20 - Self-expression and acceptance 

23:15 - Deviations and community 

24:18 - Permanence and provenance 

27:09 - Personalised slop machines 

35:40 - ChatGPT and the next wave of entrants 

40:50 - Overly complex, off-putting tech 

43:40 - Digital goes physical 

47:30 - Deviates blue chip, red chip, purple chip? 

49:10 - Fall out from Ghibli-gate 

51:18 - William Mapan, sales mechanics 

54:50 - Artie Gallerie and Kevin Esherick 

56:29 - Fakewhale and Andy Duboc