Over the next few weeks, we're bringing you some Heretics 101 content - important refreshers on taboo topics that are core to navigating the CPO seat.

For today’s episode, we're revisiting an early conversation about how to fire C-suite executives that we had with CJ Gustafson from the Run the Numbers podcast. If you're in this business long enough, you're either going to have to fire an executive, or you're going to be the one getting fired. That's just reality. What started as a simple question turned into one of our most candid discussions about severance packages, golden parachutes, and layering.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:52) The First Steps: When to Exit a C-Suite Executive

(02:46) Decision vs. Discussion: Framing the Conversation

(05:29) The Fourth Scenario: Growth Outpacing Talent

(08:04) Compensation: The Spicy Details

(10:36) Pre-Negotiated Severance: Red Flag or Smart Move?

(14:50) Sponsors: Planful | Metaview

(17:49) Golden Parachutes: The Biggest Payouts

(20:47) Equity Acceleration and Exercise Windows

(22:35) Rest and Vest: The Perverse Incentive Problem

(24:12) Garden Leave Explained

(24:51) VCs and CEO Firings: The Reputation Game

(27:00) Advice for the Departing Executive

(30:13) Controlling the Narrative

(31:43) Wrap

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