The Dream Journal

Surrender. Katherine speaks this week to Sahlah Dubel of Divine by Design about what her dreams are teaching her about letting go. Sahlah speaks about how taking care of her six week old baby Cedar has put her in a place where she is needing to let her dreams work in the background. When a dream breaks through, she pays extra attention! Sahlah shares a dream in which she is on the back of a sea creature and can only submerge after she finds herself telling herself to let go. This leads to a moving conversation about moving forward even while afraid which she applies to decisions about her job as well as to her spiritual life.

BIO: Sahlah Dubel is co-founder of Divine by Design, a corporation dedicated to supporting community resilience and holistic wellness. As a generational dreamer, dream integration was essential to her family’s paradigm for emotional wellness. A he’s facilitates dreaming workshops providing techniques to navigate dreams and embrace lucid living.

Find our guest at: DivineByDesign.org @DivinebyDesignTeam @divinebydesigninc

Sahlah and her brother Wolf aka Andrusa Lawson are co-founders of Divine by Design and both have been on several episodes already. You can find their pieces here:

Death and the Spaces between, with Sahlah Dubel

Death and Lucid Living with Sahlah Dubel

Divine by Design with Sahlah and Andrusa

Dream Sharing as Sacred Story Telling with Andrusa Lawson

Red Dreams and Shadow Work with Andrusa Lawson

Show aired on December 9, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dream-journal

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Does dream sharing increase empathy and insight? Today meet two English professors who say, “Yes it does!” The Science and Art of Dreaming is their new book. This is a replay from a popular episode recorded in March.

Mark starts out by talking about the innocence of dreams and how they tell the truth, even though we often can’t recognize it. Julia suggests we can look at dreams as our own art work. Together they describe their process in which Mark guides the discussion of a dream while Julia creates a drawing around the dream on pages torn from Freud’s famous book, The Interpretation of Dreams.

Mark describes his research which shows that (1) dream sharing increases empathy of group members and (2) people who are high in empathy are more attracted to dreamwork than those who are not. He also touches on human self-domestication and shares recent work suggesting that dream sharing might have been an important part of that process.

We take three callers. First John from Santa Cruz describes that he feels sensations in dreams like thorns prickling but not body blows. Steve Popp from the Garden Show then shares a dream about a hooded black cobra lying in square coils. Finally we take a call from Ray of Santa Cruz who dreamt of being chased by a giant bear at Stonehenge.

BIO: Mark Blagrove is Professor of Psychology and Director of the Sleep Laboratory at Swansea University, UK. He is a past-President of the International Association for the Study of Dreams. Julia Lockheart is Associate Professor at the Swansea College of Art, University of Wales Trinity St David, and is a Fellow of the Royal Society for Arts. Since 2016 they have undertaken public Ullman dream discussions, with Julia simultaneously painting each dream as part of their DreamsID.com collaboration. The collaboration has resulted in their 2023 book, The Science and Art of Dreaming, published by Routledge.

Find our guests at: DreamsID.com

On twitter @mark_blagrove and @DreamsID, Instagram DreamsID_artworks, on Facebook @DreamsID2, and on YouTube dreams_id

Show aired on December 2 from a show originally broadcast March 25, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dre

Dream Alchemy, Kabbalah, and Tarot. These are just some of the tools in the tool chest of to guest, local Jungian depth therapist Eva Rider. This is a show rebroadcast from a popular episode recorded in February. We start out by defining depth psychology and how it is different from other kinds of therapy. Meaning vs. happiness. Dreams help by providing what we don’t know. Eva defines the dream alchemy phases: nigredo, albeda and rubedo. Also, death dreams can be positive.

We take a call from Carol from Scotts Valley who shares a dream in which she is visited by a crow with a metal insect in its mouth. We end up talking about active imagination, warning dreams and big dreams.

BIO: Eva Rider MA, MFT is a licensed Jungian-oriented depth psychotherapist, a workshop leader and presenter. Eva’s teaching incorporates dreamwork with fairy tale, myth, tarot, music, movement and art based in an exploration of the correspondences between Jungian theory, alchemy and psyche or soma as revealed through the Hermetic tree of life. Eva Rider is a graduate of the renowned Marion Woodman BodySoul Rhythms® Leadership Training program. Eva has taught Dreamwork, Jungian Theory and Myth at John F. Kennedy University and teaches independently at locations in the United States and Canada and online.

Find our guest at: ReclaimingSoul.com

First class of Sophia Sparks free on YouTube @EvaKRider

Show aired on November 25, 2023 as a replay from a show originally broadcast February 11, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dream-journal

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Sometimes we have to wander the world to find out what lies in our own soul. Our guest Royce Fitts, D Min used a multi-week solo stravage on the oldest road in Europe as his chance to reflect on his history, on social consciousness, and on spiritual wisdom. Royce starts by defining the word stravage (“strah-vegg”) as an aimless, defiant, and profound wandering which is a spiritual theme in his new book, The Geography of the Soul.

We talk about Royce’s multi-week solo stravage along the Ridgeway National Trail as a metaphor for the spiritual journey that we each are on. Raised on a farm in a small town of western Nebraska, Royce eventually left the conservative religion that he had become a minister of to become a spiritual counselor, a practitioner of dreamwork, and an adherent of process theology.

We take a call from Julie from Denver who shares a dream about butterflies emerging from a globe in the living room of her home which we look at as a story of transformation.

BIO: Royce Fitts is an author, a licensed marriage and family therapist, and a certified dream worker. He holds a doctorate in ministry. His book explores relationships between physical and spiritual landscapes, personal and collective histories, and night-time dreams and how they weave together to reveal and heal the wounds of our lifetime.

Find our guest at: RoyceFitts.com

Show aired on November 18, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dream-journal

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Scott Mason of the Webdelics podcast recently went through a serious health crisis during which he had a profound, life-changing dream. Scott gives a riveting description of the mysterious illness that overtook him just a few months ago. As the crisis came to a head, he had a profound dream which we explore in detail together, musing over the idea of dream as oracle.

After the break, we take a call from Deb Cox-Voisin (MovingAsDesigned.com) in which she becomes filthy moving an ornate cast iron stove for an unethical man. Scott, the Myth Slayer, brings up the myth of Hephaestus, the blacksmith who creates the gift of fire but becomes disfigured in the process.

BIO: Recovering attorney and former C-Suite exec. Master of the mythic. Scott Mason is a speaker and coach who helps unhappy attorneys obliterate the myths keeping them stagnant, so they can magnetize and monetize professional freedom. He is also the host of The Webdelics Podcast, the official podcast for the web’s most trusted resource on plant medicine and psychedelics.

Find our guest at: MyFreedomRocks.com and Webdelics.com

Show aired on November 11, 2023. Many thanks to all those veterans who fought for their country!

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dream-journal

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Is there any hope for authenticity? Today we speak with Jungian analyst Susan Schwartz who describes her work on the imposter syndrome and the fragility of the self. Dr. Schwartz starts out by describing how much energy our inauthenticity takes and yet we often are taught early to conform and deny ourselves. To learn to be more in tune with your inner impulses, Susan recommends starting to pay attention to Aha moments in waking life. While talking about the symbology of up vs down, Susan touches on what she calls the value of depression as well as the differences between persona and shadow.

In the second half, we get into a conversation about ageism and western views of aging and how we might go about finding a purpose beyond having a job and raising kids. We end by talking about finding a sense of belonging.

BIO: Susan E. Schwartz, PhD trained in Zurich as a Jungian analyst and is also a clinical psychologist. She presents in the US and worldwide. Her book “The Absent Father Effect on Daughters” has been translated into several languages. Her newest book also published by Routledge is entitled “The Imposter Syndrome and The ‘As-If’ Personality: Fragility of Self.” 

Find our guest at: susanschwartzphd.com

Show aired on November 4, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dream-journal

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Today we speak with Akinke (“Ah-kin-kay”) Lucas about dreaming ourselves whole. We start by talking about Akinke’s travels in Africa and Indonesia, then we talk about how to tell the difference between tricksters and demons. Akinke describes masculine vs feminine, conscious vs unconscious, mind vs soul, and speaks about how the birth of humanity was through Africa and also about the importance of knowing who we are.

We take a call from Sahlah of Divine by Design from Virginia who asks about bringing healing to communities. As she has recently given birth to her second son, she is concerned with the society her children are being born into. Akinke responds with a story about how she deals with her struggles to honor her own problematic lineage.

BIO: Akinke Lucas is a Spiritual Consultant who utilizes her background in Drama Therapy, Somatic healing, social work, and indigenous traditions to guide her in facilitating purposeful healing modalities. She is a Ph.D. (ABD) candidate in Integrative Therapy and Healing Practices at Pacifica Graduate Institute. Akinke recently completed a year of ancestral apprenticeship in Africa and Asia, where she furthered her indigenous learning and artistic work.

Find our guest at: Flowingwaters.online, IG @flowingwatersllc, email at [email protected]

Show aired on October 28, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dream-journal

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What is sandtray work and how does working with metaphor benefit us neurologically? We speak with Leah  Hodari about applying sandtray work to dreamwork. Leah starts out by talking about the history of sandtray and how it deviates from the Jungian practice of sand play. She describes how all aspects of the therapy encourage therapeutic bilateral integration, allowing trauma, which lives in the right hemisphere, to emerge and be processed by the more verbal left hemisphere.

We talk about metaphor in sandtray work and in waking life in that humans commonly experience that one object can hold many different meanings. Leah talks about the power of using sandtray to explore and modify dreams and lists several questions the dreamer can ask themselves to deepen their dreamwork.

In the second half, Leah talks about how she got started with this work. We take an email from Rachel who asks about talking in her sleep and a question from Max who shares his experience that both he and his son find that playing with and creating miniatures can be be relaxing and helps with focus. Leah ends by talking about how schools could be made more friendly for students.

BIO: Leah Hodari is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor specializing in treating children, families, and adults who have experienced trauma or abuse or are dealing with multicultural and LGBTQ issues. She lives and works in Miami Beach, Florida. She applies Play Therapy, Sandtray Therapy, and PolyVagal principles to her practice.

Send an email to [email protected] to be put in touch with Leah.

Show aired on October 21, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms and are released the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Now also available on PRX at Exchange.prx.org/series/45206-the-dream-journal

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Traveling without leaving home. A shamanic dreamer and author of over two dozen books, we speak today with Robert Moss in this special replay from April Fool’s Day. Robert describes himself as a story teller who helps people find their story. He begins with the tale of what happened when he was pronounced dead at age 3 and about how dreaming is preparation for dying. We speak about the power of imagination and about the practice of living by synchronicity which he calls kairomancy. He urges us to remember to play.

We explore a dream from Steve Popp of Santa Cruz in which his dad offers him a horse which ultimately turns into a deer, and a call from Elizabeth from Bellingham who asks about how to stimulate more dreams. She mentions a dream of her own about a blue horse. We also take a call from Beth Ann from the Central Valley who asks about how to find humor and playfulness around dark dreams. Synchronistically, she also mentions dreams about horses.

BIO: Robert Moss has been a dream traveler since doctors pronounced him dead in a hospital in Tasmania when he was three years old. His School of Active Dreaming is a synthesis of modern dreamwork and ancient shamanic practices for journeying to realms beyond the physical. He leads adventures all over the world, including a three-year teacher training and popular online courses for the Shift Network. He is a New York Times bestselling novelist, poet, journalist, and independent scholar. His latest book is Growing Big Dreams: Manifesting Your Heart’s Desires through 12 Secrets of the Imagination.

Find our guest at: MossDreams.com and on Facebook @RobertMossBooks @ActiveDreaming

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Today’s ambient music is created by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show, to Tony Russomano for answering the phones and to Ewa Malady for audio editing.

Show aired October 14 as a replay of a show broadcast live on April 1, 2023.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM, streaming live at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific time.  Catch it live and call in with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or at [email protected].

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback, suggestions for future shows or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her at [email protected], or find out more at ExperientialDreamwork.com.

Available on all major podcast platforms. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal.

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We all know that dreams can galvanize your creativity. Today we meet an author who has published three dream-inspired fantasy novels which seek to reimagine the hero’s journey. Author Donna Glee Williams, PhD is our guest and her latest book is called The Night Field. Plus music by Lynn Morgan Rosser.

Donna Glee describes her 17 year mentorship with Jeremy Taylor which began as an exploration of an ongoing dream theme of difficulty getting to water. She also speaks of dreams that are gifts for others and shares that she recently wrote a story based on another’s dream. When published it will have the dreamer as co-author.

She describes using dreams to inspire creativity by starting with the question, “If you were to do something to honor this dream, what would it be?” She then speaks about how her books embody a new kind of Hero’s Journey more appropriate for a post-patriarchal world than the traditional Joseph Campbell formulation, a new paradigm that gets away from individualism and invites co-heroes.

After the break we take a call from John of Santa Cruz who describes research showing that people who play music access different portions of their brain than those who don’t. Our engineer and music-creator Rick adds that music is a high-bandwidth form of transmitting nonverbal information.

We then take a call from Lynn Rosser of Asheville of North Carolina who has created music to go with Donna Glee’s new novel. We play part of the piece called Bridges. You can find Lynn at LynnMorganRosser.com and on Spotify and other platforms. Donna Glee suggests that listeners go to ko-fi.com/lynnmorganrosser to support her.

We then talking about using fantasy to address real-world issues including addressing problems with pesticides which are portrayed, but never explicitly mentioned, in The Night Field which emerged from her work with the Eco Tipping Points Project which can be found at EcoTippingPoints.org. Donna Glee ends by reading the opening paragraphs from her new novel.

BIO: When I first met Jeremy Taylor, I was already a writer but—other than my doctoral dissertation—I’d never written in any long form. During my 17 years of dreamwork with him, I wrote three novels seeded by dreams. His fingerprints are particularly bright on my latest, The Night Field.

Find our guest at: DonnaGleeWilliams.com, FB #DonnaGleeWilliams, IG: @donna.glee.7

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Show aired on October 7, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Contact Katherine Bell with feedback or suggestions for future shows at [email protected]. Follow her on FB and IG @ExperientialDreamwork to find out about upcoming shows. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams with her go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.

The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Saturday mornings Pacific Time. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-577