Upper House's Associate Director, Cam Anderson, sits down with his good friend and noted art historian and artist, Wayne Roosa, to have a conversation about what drives them to make art. They offer insights, concepts, and language that help all of us to rethink our own work in new and interesting ways.

Wayne Roosa is a University Professor of Art History Emeritus at Bethel University, as well as Chair of the New York Center for Art and Media Studies. He has written on art and art history, and is a painter with works displayed in galleries all over the country.

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Credits: Music by Micah Behr, audio engineering by Jesse Koopman, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.