The Glenns are back in town, which made for the perfect 4th of July weekend and a golden opportunity to finally ask something I've been curious about for years: who was Angus before Kaylene, and who was Kaylene before Angus?

We talk about childhoods on opposite sides of the world, family, loss, friendship, and how two people from Pennsylvania and Australia found each other and built a life so many of us admire. Along the way, we discover it didn't happen by accident; it was built through sacrifice, deep friendship, honest conversations, and the quiet daily choice to keep showing up for one another.

Happy Fourth of July and happy 250th birthday, America — with a little collaboration from the Land Down Under.

Welcome to episode 56!

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IG: @jason.lambertus (jaw harp intro/outro)

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Graham Bier, the man behind the music at the Cathedral, has always been a bit of a mystery to me. So I tried to solve it.

Graham grew up hands in the earth — free range, with miles of woods and wild to roam. The son of a conservation biologist who brought him through Pennsylvania forests hunting endangered species — Graham even discovered one that ended up in the Smithsonian with his name on it — and a small-scale subsistence farmer mother who had him up milking cows before school. He grew up caught between a father who doesn't believe and a mother who did, and has spent a lifetime wrestling somewhere beautifully in between.

From double-majoring in music and environmental studies at Oberlin, to a PhD at York, to singing in China's greatest concert halls and touring Europe alongside operatic superstars, to now leading sacred music in the very community he once dreamed of belonging to — Graham has lived a life that resists easy summary.

And on this Father's Day — the day we sat down to record — Graham reflects on what it actually looks like to build a life and a career alongside the person you love, and how he and Robin are doing everything they can to give their children the kind of childhood they are so deeply grateful they had themselves.

Welcome to Episode 55.

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Bryn Athyn Music Department Staff 

Reading Choral Society

Butterfly Bakery Hot Sauce 

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Edmund Rhodes or “Mundo” doesn’t sugarcoat a thing. He feels comfortable to say what he thinks, even if it rubs you the wrong way — and if you disagree, good. He invites it. He doesn't back down from conflict, and he's not above stirring the pot. 

But he wasn’t always comfortable in his own skin. 

Growing up, Edmund was shy. It wasn't until he picked up the bottle that he discovered a version of himself that was confident, outgoing, and unafraid. Somewhere along the way, that version became the real one — though the path to get there was anything but straight.

ATVs, airplanes, and horses ran through all of it — but so did change. Construction in Appalachia. Charleston. A first marriage strained by his drinking. Love found again in Costa Rica. A stint in India seeking healing through Ayurvedic medicine. Mundo has lived many lives, and found himself right back where he started: Bryn Athyn.

But what makes this conversation compelling isn't necessarily Mundo's story—it's the question at its center: Is an honest agnostic searching for truth closer to God than someone who claims belief but never truly wrestles with it?

Welcome to Episode 54.

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At 94 years young, Major General Ronald K. Nelson reflects on nearly a century of experiences — from flying President Eisenhower as a young Marine helicopter pilot, to simultaneously building two careers over four decades: rising to the rank of two-star general in the Marine Corps Reserve while spending those same years coaching, teaching, and mentoring generations of students at the Academy of the New Church High School in Bryn Athyn, Pennsylvania.

He coached wrestling for over 30 years, founded the lacrosse program, and was eventually inducted into the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. When it was his turn to speak at the induction, he walked to the podium, pointed to the crowd of former wrestlers, and said: "The only reason I'm here is because of you guys. If you guys didn't win, I wouldn't be up here."

Despite a lifetime of accomplishments, Ron is always quicker to credit others than himself. 

Welcome to Episode 53.

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I would like to say 52 weeks and 52 episodes flew by but I really can't. It's been long, rewarding, uncomfortable at times, and... really, really good for me.

I was reluctant to be in the guest seat but Tony refused to let me off the hook and I'm glad he didn't.

Tony did a great job keeping it grounded, using me as the lens to reflect on the podcast, the people, the stories, and what it's actually meant to show up 52 times in a row. We talk about how this journey has helped me become more present and curious, why I'm drawn to uncomfortable conversations, and how a lot of that comes from wanting answers myself.

Most of all, this one is a thank you. To every guest who trusted me enough to share their story. To everyone who's listened, reached out, or told me to keep going.

Tony ends by asking what's next and the answer is simple: we're going to keep chuggin'.

I cannot believe I am saying this… and at the same time I can.

Welcome to Episode 52.

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“This is going to be a pretty dark interview… with suicide, Islamic dreaming, jihad… it may get a little dark. But anyhow, it is what it is, I guess. Welcome to my life.”

There you have it — straight from Ben himself. Hard to top an introduction like that. But I will add this: beneath all the darkness Ben deeply cares. And despite the weight of the conversation, we shared a lot of laughs too.

Ben Pendleton was born into a family deeply affected by mental illness — and as he openly shares, he didn’t quite dodge that bullet himself either. As we discover, his love of religion and inner spiritual struggle have helped him make meaning of his own suffering, his sibling’s, and others’.

Ben served in the United States Marine Corps, reported from Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan War in 1983, and in 1991 photographed and interviewed legendary Afghan resistance commander Ahmad Shah Massoud. Ben introduced me to a side of Islam, poetry, and the Middle East I likely never would have explored on my own.

As Ben says, afterward he went back to working construction — “boringly, scraping paint.” Well… I’m not sure I quite buy that. You can decide for yourself.

I feel genuinely lucky to bring Ben’s story, and in many ways the parts of ourselves we often wrestle with most, to you.

Welcome to Episode 51.

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Ben’s page: The Use of Dreams in Islamic Jihad (@benyameenp)

Caleb’s Café: 583 Hawk Mountain Road, Kempton, PA (normally open Saturdays 8am–2pm)

Book Recs & Related Material:

Massoud: An Intimate Portrait of the Legendary Afghan Leader — Marcela Grad

To the Mountains: My Life in Jihad from Algeria to Afghanistan — Abdullah Anas

The Dream in Islam: From Qur’anic Tradition to Jihadist Inspiration — Iain R. Edgar

Surah Yusuf (Qur’an, Chapter 12) 

“Song of the Bow” (David’s lament for Saul) 

New Church Writings

Arcana Coelestia (full text archive) - see numbers 1975-1983

Arcana Coelestia (Elliott), AC 5091

Spiritual Experiences (#8) 

The Heavenly City, A Spiritual Guidebook #269

Divine Providence 326

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John Rienstra was drafted ninth overall in the 1986 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers and later played for the Cleveland Browns. He played under Chuck Noll, Bill Belichick, and Bruce Arians — coaches who combined for 11 Super Bowl rings. He was nicknamed The Raging Rhino. At his peak, he could total over 2,000 pounds in powerlifting.But there was always an unseen side.

Since his first year at Temple, John battled crippling anxiety and panic attacks — often so severe that the only way through them was to vomit before every game. He hid it for a long time. And when coaches eventually did find out, the way they handled it said a lot about the era he played in.

What John and I really dig into today is the full arc — from a boarding school dorm room in Bryn Athyn to the NFL, and everything that came after: More than 20 surgeries. Teammates who died and were posthumously diagnosed with CTE. Going from a first-round pick salary to essentially starting over. From lifting 2,000 pounds to not being able to bench 10. 

John is living with the cognitive effects of a career's worth of repetitive head injuries and has been part of the NFL concussion lawsuit for over two decades. His story is a hard one. But John tells it like it is, and I admire him for it — and I think you'll walk away seeing football, and a lot of other things, in a completely different light.

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Penn Sports Live Podcast with John Rienstra

A Quiet Warrior, The Story of Former NFL Player

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Martha is a coach, a listener, and what she calls a "lay midwife for women's spirits" — someone who helps people come home to themselves.

She’s also my godmother. She's known me since before I knew myself. That should be enough said.

In this episode, we talk about what it means to truly see someone, why anger is almost always thwarted love, the stories we carry that keep us small, and why the hardest parts of our lives might be exactly what we were handed on purpose.

Just Martha and me, doing what we've always done.

Welcome to Episode 49.

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If you asked a room full of ten-year-old boys what they wanted to be when they grew up, Lach Brown became all of them: a Vietnam War Cobra attack helicopter pilot, police officer, firefighter, and decorated veteran, holding the Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, and Air Medal among others. In the traditional sense of what it means to be a man, he checks every box. But Lach is the first to tell you: he was asleep for most of it.

The real journey of masculinity, he’ll tell you, is the distance between a man’s mind and his heart.

That journey led him to his wife Dorothy—50 years and counting—who taught him the things of the heart that no cockpit or firehouse could—and supported him in finding brotherhood with other men on the same path.

That realization—that a man needs other men, and that the hardest war most men fight is the one within themselves—eventually led Lach to become a founding member of SWET (Spiritual Warfare Effectiveness Training), volunteer at halfway houses helping people reintegrate into society, and adopt five children.

What Lach ultimately shows us is that the measure of a man isn’t necessarily found in titles or medals—it’s found in the ordinary person who simply does right. In their conduct, their work, their home, and their community. That’s the example worth looking up to. And the reason that matters? It means any of us can live it.

Welcome to Episode 48.

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SWET (Spiritual Warfare Effectiveness Training)

Bryn Athyn Police Department

Bryn Athyn Fire Company

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Shawn Rose has lived a quiet, intentional life that looks a lot like a modern-day Johnny Appleseed, and in this episode he shares just how that path unfolded. Shawn has built his life around music and nature: perhaps best known as the piano accompanist to many generations, but there is more to this man than meets the eye. He has slept in a tent for the last 19 years, climbed trees closing in on 7,000 ascents, and is quite possibly the only American I have ever met who is lucky enough to have never sent an email.

Together we explore the pursuit of the 5 Primal Medicines: sun, sky, cold, dark, and earth. Primal medicines meaning how something can be medicine even when you don't think of it that way, such as how walking in the woods is anti-inflammatory. And if many diseases stem from inflammation, maybe Mother Nature has been writing us the right prescription all along. Shawn is living proof.

Light-hearted, jovial, and full of wonder, just like the legend himself. Step into spring with us as we embark on a new adventure together that just may rewire your brain too. 

Welcome to Episode 47.

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Purple La Sportiva Climbing Shoes 

Planet Medicine

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