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The Fisher Change Curve: Navigating The Emotional Side Of Change
Change is rarely just a rational process — it’s an emotional journey.
In this episode of Sticky From The Inside, I’m joined by John Fisher, business psychologist, constructivist thinker, and creator of the Fisher Change Curve. His model goes beyond the Kubler-Ross grief curve to capture the messy, shifting emotions people actually experience during change, from anxiety and fear, to guilt, confusion, and eventual acceptance.
We explore why organisations so often mishandle change, the crucial difference between self-initiated and imposed change, and the role of emotional triggers like SCARF. John also shares practical ways leaders can support their teams and themselves through uncertainty, plus his three Sticky Notes of advice for navigating change with confidence and compassion.
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Key Takeaways
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Key Moments
The key moments in this episode are:
0:01:10 – Why change is never just a process problem
0:05:57 – Meet John Fisher: from radar systems to psychology
0:08:22 – Why the emotional side of change matters
0:11:35 – Constructivism and interpretation in change
0:14:22 – Do we treat change differently at work than in life?
0:17:05 – Self-initiated vs imposed change: why control matters
0:21:09 – Why Kubler-Ross isn’t enough for organisational change
0:24:03 – Introducing the Fisher Change Curve
0:27:58 – Stages of the curve: from anxiety to acceptance
0:34:53 – Quick wins, small steps, and sustainable change
0:36:39 – SCARF triggers and why leaders misjudge readiness
0:41:36 – Practical advice: honesty, engagement, and WIIFM
0:45:28 – John’s three Sticky Notes of advice
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Useful Links
Follow John Fisher on LinkedIn here
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Full Episode Transcript
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Change is rarely just a rational process — it’s an emotional journey.
In this episode of Sticky From The Inside, I’m joined by John Fisher, business psychologist, constructivist thinker, and creator of the Fisher Change Curve. His model goes beyond the Kubler-Ross grief curve to capture the messy, shifting emotions people actually experience during change, from anxiety and fear, to guilt, confusion, and eventual acceptance.
We explore why organisations so often mishandle change, the crucial difference between self-initiated and imposed change, and the role of emotional triggers like SCARF. John also shares practical ways leaders can support their teams and themselves through uncertainty, plus his three Sticky Notes of advice for navigating change with confidence and compassion.
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Key Takeaways
----more----
Key Moments
The key moments in this episode are:
0:01:10 – Why change is never just a process problem
0:05:57 – Meet John Fisher: from radar systems to psychology
0:08:22 – Why the emotional side of change matters
0:11:35 – Constructivism and interpretation in change
0:14:22 – Do we treat change differently at work than in life?
0:17:05 – Self-initiated vs imposed change: why control matters
0:21:09 – Why Kubler-Ross isn’t enough for organisational change
0:24:03 – Introducing the Fisher Change Curve
0:27:58 – Stages of the curve: from anxiety to acceptance
0:34:53 – Quick wins, small steps, and sustainable change
0:36:39 – SCARF triggers and why leaders misjudge readiness
0:41:36 – Practical advice: honesty, engagement, and WIIFM
0:45:28 – John’s three Sticky Notes of advice
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Join The Conversation
Find Andy Goram on LinkedIn here
Listen to the Podcast on YouTube here
Follow the Podcast on Instagram here
Follow the Podcast on Twitter here
Follow the Podcast on Facebook here
Check out the Bizjuicer website here
Get a free consultation with Andy here
Check out the Bizjuicer blog here
Download the podcast here
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Useful Links
Follow John Fisher on LinkedIn here
Find the C2D website here
----more----
Full Episode Transcript
Get the full transcript of the episode here
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