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This week, you're stuck with Katie and Helen again, answering more of your businessy questions (Tania's back next week! Don't cry! She's coming back, really!)
RIP to our dear friend and editor Deirdre McDermott of Walker Books, who died recently. Dee was a legend. We don't have the words to do her justice here, but we miss her very very much. 💛 And of course, Smelly Peggy too.
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Helen and Katie are back
00:45 – Any consistency hacks? Katie's summer of posting every day
01:45 – Reposting old posts
02:45 – When your illustration work 'flops'
03:30 – Stop when the fun runs out
04:30 – Illustrator's boob
06:15 – 2012 washing powder
08:00 – The rise and pause of Katie's jobs board
10:45 – Being misunderstood online
11:45 – "Get over yourself"
13:00 – Helen's online school visit that didn't quite work
15:45 – Lessons
17:00 – Helen's year out
18:45 – Finding Your Creative Voice
19:30 – Remembering Deirdre McDermott of Walker Books
Links mentioned:
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. It's the last day! The Illustration Business Club doors close TONIGHT, Friday 9th October, at 10pm UK time. There's an option to pay in 10 smaller instalments, and we'd love to see you in there before they shut. https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
This week it's just Helen and Katie here (helloo - Tania was off in Naples eating pizza for us. We were living vicariously through her.)
Let's get stuck in and answer your excellent questions about marketing your illustration work.
"I just don't know where to begin!" and overcoming our arch nemesis: cringe.
Plus SLOTH FACTS. You're welcome.
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Time off is good for you, and good for business
01:00 – Helen's short, intense work bursts on the latest Salty book
02:00 – Take the bus
03:00 – "Where do I start with marketing?"
04:00 – Trying on hats (and taking them back off)
04:45 – The creative car and the business car
06:00 – Brilliant work nobody sees vs brilliant marketing that needs more art car time
07:00 – Seven ways to get your work in front of picture book publishers
08:30 – Low-pressure Instagram and the overflowing camera roll
09:30 – If we were starting again: website, portfolio etc.
11:00 – Ditch the "aspiring", "wannabe" and "itty bitty" labels
11:30 – Cringe
12:45 – Caveman brains
15:00 – It's not meant to be easy
16:15 – "How do I get over myself?"
17:15 – Seeking validation vs showing up to share your goodies
18:00 – Illustration Business Club doors are open, plus the new 10-pay option
19:45 – Art Club, sloth ribs and a guinea pig Wild West village
Links mentioned:
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. Get your illustration business ducks in a row. 🐥 🐥 🐥 The Illustration Business Club doors are open now, with a new option to pay in 10 smaller instalments.
We'd love to have you sailing with us! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
Jo Overend is in da house (ship?)
But first, Illustration Business Club is finally OPEN! It's been over a year since we last flung the doors open and we'd love to have you sailing with us! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
Jo is an author-illustrator, an OG Good Shipper, and the author and illustrator of Megaduck (her debut picture book with Walker Books) 🐥
When Jo started out, she hadn't drawn for 21 years. She posted her drawings anyway, eeeeven the ones she didn't like, and sometimes three to five Instagram posts a day (!!!)
Timestamps:
00:00 – Hello Jo (and Megaduck, in giant cardboard cutout form)
00:23 – Megaduck's final artwork is done and handed over to Walker Books
01:03 – Getting final artwork finished alongside full-on childcare
01:56 – Setting the goal of a full colour dummy for Bologna
02:57 – Walking into shops with your prints (terrifying!) and taking the wholesale leap
03:37 – Why rejection is almost never about you
05:46 – Katie's human design corner: give people something to say yes or no to
06:10 – Sending Walker seven more book ideas without waiting for a meeting
07:01 – Posting real things to agents and publishers, and the "is it worth the stamp?" wobble
09:13 – Why genuine, thoughtful post gets remembered
10:10 – Agents and publishers actually WANT your follow-up email
11:42 – Jo's Illustration Business Club experience
12:23 – Getting stocked in her favourite shop, and growing into wholesale
13:12 – Community, competitions, and winning the Picture Hooks mentorship (plus a book deal the same week!)
14:34 – Tania's "friendly stalking" method for finding art directors
15:50 – "Have we met?" How Jo's postcards got there before she did
16:57 – Helen's broccoli theory of being seen
17:25 – The anonymous egg problem, and why a face (or a logo) builds trust
18:29 – Jo's advice for scared, shy, overwhelmed illustrators
19:04 – Not drawing for 21 years, then posting 3 to 5 doodles a day
22:02 – Megaduck news: US in February, UK in March, and Megaduck 2 on the way
23:07 – Trying all the little things: kids' workshops, wholesale and more
24:40 – Keep your radar open
25:16 – Where to find Jo, plus her Substack and Patreon plans
Links mentioned:
• Jo's website: https://www.jooverendillustration.com/
• Jo on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joverendillustration/
• Jo's Substack: https://jooverendillustration.substack.com/
• Megaduck (US edition): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/835922/megaduck-by-jo-overend-illustrated-by-jo-overend/
• Picture Hooks: https://www.picturehooks.org.uk/
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. Soooo much of what Jo talks about here ties in v well with what's inside Illustration Business Club. The doors are open right now and we'd love to have you in there with us! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
Fancy getting into your business car for a bit? Illustration Business Club doors are open until 9th October 2026, and you get lifetime access, so you can go at your own pace (pudding first, broccoli later). We'd love to have you sailing with us https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
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We recorded this podcast LIVE on Instagram on Friday! (So please excuse the audio if it doesn't sound 100%) Anyways, here's the replay. Katie and Helen had a nice 'n' friendly illustration business Q&A, answering your questions as they came flying in. If we missed your question, it's nothing personal! We're doing another live Q&A next Friday too over on our Instagram @thegoodshipillustration so do come along and ask your question again :) https://www.instagram.com/thegoodshipillustration/
Half-arse is better than no-arse.
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Welcome to our live Q&A podcast
01:50 – Should you keep your children's and grown-up work on separate Instagram accounts?
03:15 – Illustration Business Club doors, early birds and payment plans
04:30 – Organising your website when you've got lots of income streams
05:30 – SEO, long-tail keywords and lying down in the middle of the road
08:45 – What are publishers looking for in a portfolio?
12:00 – Do you need a big social media following to get started?
14:00 – Where to start with licensing
17:30 – How to say no when friends want you to illustrate their book
21:45 – Should you approach an agent or go straight to publishers?
23:30 – Instagram is not your portfolio (and half-arse is better than no arse)
25:30 – Does business stuff apply to fine art too?
27:15 – Your creative car and your business car
30:00 – Working for free, "exposure" and being paid in lobsters
30:45 – How do you stay invested in a picture book idea all the way through?
34:00 – Pricey website hosting vs the cheaper option
35:45 – Dealing with the newbie beginner scaries
38:00 – When getting paid makes you tighten up
40:00 – Structuring your days, Helen's birthday card trick and not doing a Father Ted
43:15 – Do the fun thing first (an idiot with momentum always wins)
Links mentioned:
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
This week, we're back at the kitchen table after the summer holidays, and the doors to Illustration Business Club are officially OPEN! Wahoooo 🎉
A quick catch-up first: Katie trying to not-work for six whole weeks, and Tania's summer spent changing her work on a big museum project.
Then there's a nice big juicy question from a listener: can you market yourself without social media if you really hate filming yourself?
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Doors are open! IBC, the new 10-pay option and the early bird pricing workshop
01:15 – Back for autumn: summer holidays, Berlin playgrounds and trying not to work
02:45 – Tania's summer project and changing her work
04:15 – Keeping an eye on creative funding locally
05:30 – Why the Business Course became Illustration Business Club
06:45 – Key dates: early birds, the introvert-friendly marketing workshop and the 12th October kick-off
08:00 – What's inside: licensing, rights, extra income streams and expert guests
09:15 – "What even is live illustration?" and illustration as a business
11:00 – Listener question: can you market yourself without social media?
11:45 – Life before Instagram
13:30 – Tweeting your work vs trudging round art directors
15:00 – Physical mailers
16:30 – Why niching down makes marketing (and SEO) soooo much easier
17:45 – Social media is not a work-getter
18:45 – Tania's maps: letting the work do the marketing
20:30 – Good work first, then word of mouth
22:30 – Speaking your clients' language
23:30 – SEO for beginners, starring Tania
Links mentioned:
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. The Illustration Business Club doors are open now! Join by midday on Wednesday 30th September and you're an early bird, which means you get a seat at our live pricing workshop with all three of us at 1pm that day (it's recorded too). There's a new option to pay in 10 smaller instalments, and the doors close on Friday 9th October at 10pm UK time.
We'd love to see you in there!
https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
p.p.s. A few dates for your diary:
✏️ Monday 28th September, 12.30pm UK: Art Club, #walktoseeprepare (more page prep, then drawing over the top)
✏️ Monday 5th October, 12.30pm UK: Art Club, starting a brand new #walktosee challenge for October
💌 Wednesday 7th October, 1pm UK: free introvert-friendly marketing workshop, camera off allowed: [NEEDS SIGNUP LINK]
https://www.instagram.com/thegoodshipillustration/
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
This week our Tania is speaking to the one and only Margo Tantau (the licensing whisperer).
Margo is a good ship Pal, founder of Tantau Studio and you might have heard her on her brilliant podcast Windowsill Chats. Here's a link: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/windowsill-chats/id1529045232
In this chat, Tania and Margo talk about all the important stuff liiiike:
What is licensing? How do you get paid? Can you REALLY license work you've already made? Margo even shares her secret weapen for getting art directors to fall in love with your work.
Some very good bits too: AI slop is NOT getting in the way of artists with real human hands. Hoorayyyy. That's good news for all of us, eh?
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Intro to Margo Tantau and her 360-degree licensing career
02:30 – Welcome back to the licensing whisperer
04:00 – Artist, shop owner, buyer, product developer, agent: Margo's done it all
06:00 – How Lilla Rogers passed the agency baton to Margo
10:30 – Why relationships are the real gold in licensing
12:00 – What licensing actually is (from spice labels to Nike)
13:00 – How you get paid: advances, royalties and typical percentages
16:00 – Can you licence work you've already made? Yes!
17:00 – Margo's secret weapon: show your art ON the product
20:30 – You don't need perfect mock-ups (a drawn teacup works too)
21:00 – A creative challenge: turn one piece into a mini collection
23:00 – Is AI hurting licensing? Why Margo's clients say no to AI art
25:30 – Tania's shock at the AI souvenir flood in Hong Kong
28:00 – The hand of the artist, texture, and quality signalling
30:30 – The UK licensing landscape, life after Surtex
32:30 – A London licensing expo
36:00 – People buy what they see: Margo's plates, fabrics and jacket stand
38:00 – The Licensing Lab at Spring Fair
39:00 – A sneaky tip for finding which exhibitors licence art
40:30 – Should licensing-curious illustrators go to Spring Fair?
41:30 – What does a stand actually cost?
44:30 – Why walking a trade fair beats a day of LinkedIn research
45:30 – Fancy matchboxes, candles, and buying things just for the art
46:30 – The big takeaway: people still want real art
48:30 – Community, Bologna, and the gold at the bottom of the rainbow
Links mentioned:
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. Want Margo's full licensing class? It's waiting for you inside Illustration Business Club, along with aaall the other money-and-business bits art school forgot to teach you.
Doors open on 25th of September 2026! https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
This week our Katie is chatting to Carly Kuhn, a US-based illustrator, artist and author who ended up in illustration kindofbyaccident. She grew up in New York wanting to do TV comedy, worked at a Hollywood talent agency, took improv classes at The Groundlings, and started drawing on printer paper nicked from the office, just as something creative to do after work. Then Sarah Jessica Parker reposted one of her drawings (!!) and - you'll have to listen to the episode to find out what happens next 🤪
Carly has had NO formal art or illustration training, which is exactly why we wanted to speak to her. We chat about finding your style by making loads of wonky work, why she wasn't ready for an agent for ages, and some pricing stuff about usage/contracts/licensing an' that.
There's also chat about wallpaper, multiple creative income streams, and how becoming a mum did not end her career (woohoo!)
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Intro to Carly and her very wiggly path
02:00 – TV comedy, improv, and how the drawing started
06:30 – Improv
08:00 – Sarah Jessica Parker reposts a drawing
10:30 – Going full-time - pricing is completely made up
14:30 – No art school
16:00 – Naivety as a superpower, and posting every day
19:00 – Live illustration, fancy parties, and the first wallpaper job
23:30 – Lockdown portraits, moving cities, becoming a mum
26:00 – Getting an agent
31:00 – Pricing, usage, and being a people-pleaser who has to negotiate
38:00 – Accidentally building lots of income streams
42:00 – How motherhood focused her career
49:00 – Character Study, and how bonkers publishing timelines are
52:00 – You really don't have to go to art school!
Links mentioned:
• Carly's website: https://www.carlykuhn.com/
• Carly on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carlykuhn/
• Carly's Substack, The Cartelier: https://carlykuhn.substack.com/
• Carly's new book, Character Study: Observations from a Very Curious Artist: https://www.carlykuhn.com/books
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. If the pricing and usage chat made your ears prick up, we are planning a v exciting early-bird bonus for Illustration Business Club joiners. Doors open on Friday 25th September. Pop it on your calendar! 🥳
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
"Why does promoting my own work feel so cringe?"
HIYA WELCOME BACK! We missed you!
Summer holidays are all done here in the UK. Hope you had a good rest too.
This week our Katie's chatting to Mollie Balshaw, one half of Short Supply:
Short Supply is an artist-led creative practice founded by Mollie and Rebekah Balshaw. Since 2019, they have helped artists navigate creative careers through exhibitions, publishing, workshops, mentoring and public conversations. Their work makes the hidden structures of the art world more visible, while encouraging artists to take their ideas seriously without waiting for perfect conditions. Their current projects include 100 Ideas and Step One, a series of conversations taking place at Edinburgh Fringe.
Short Supply posed this cracker of a question over on Instagram: why is visibility treated like ego, when artists need it to survive?
There's chat about snobbery re; wanting to earn money from your work, the bits of being visible online that you're not warned about, aaaand the boundaries Mollie and Rebekah have built to keep themselves safe.
Then there's the can-you-have-a-successful-creative-career-outside-London question, and why "it's local so it must be rubbish" can get into our heads.
Unfortunately, the Edinburgh Fringe is finished now 😭 but Step One was Short Supply's project and you can read all about it here: https://www.shortsupply.org/step-one
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Intro to Mollie, Rebekah and Short Supply
01:20 – Why is visibility treated like ego?
02:30 – Being talented is admirable, wanting to be seen is embarrassing. Whyyy?
03:30 – Starting Short Supply out of frustration (and wanting an excuse to collaborate)
04:30 – Who the art world isn't built for
05:30 – Snobbery about "commercial", snobbery about social media
06:20 – "Do I have to show my face?"
07:30 – Algorithms, platform politics, visibility
09:20 – Energy and capacity
10:20 – The flip side of a post going big
11:20 – When visibility isn't safe: queer, disabled and racialised artists
12:30 – Boundaries
14:00 – Would you mind a stranger saving it?
15:20 – You don't *need* to be on social media to promote your creative work
16:00 – Edinburgh Fringe as the best word-of-mouth machine in the country
16:40 – Step One: the Fringe show
17:40 – "I'm not telling you my idea in case you nick it"
18:20 – You can't benefit from an idea that stays in your head
20:20 – Smooth peanut butter vs crunchy
21:00 – Manchester
23:00 – Building a creative career outside London.
24:20 – proximity to London still counts for a lot
25:40 – "Manchester's caught up" or has it?
28:40 – Contradicting yourself out loud is just thinking. Allowed.
30:40 – Who are the David Hockneys of Salford right now?
33:00 – Local snobbery, and galleries that don't invite their neighbours
35:00 – Growing up somewhere small and assuming everything local is rubbish
36:30 – You have more choices than you think (a story about Mollie's nan)
38:00 – The joy of a part-time job/everyone else's secret pile of money
39:20 – AI, and being glad it didn't exist at uni
40:40 – "They may have been rubbish, but they were mine"
Links mentioned:
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. If you'd like more options for being-visible-without-being-sick-in-your-mouth, that's exactly what we get stuck into in Illustration Business Club! Doors are opening in October and you can read up on it here: https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
What're you doing this summer? Are you having a little rest?
This episode is all about taking breaks and we have a wee look at our plans:
Helen is in her illustrator hermit cave for July to get the next Salty Dog book finished before the deadline, with a nice August off as her reward.
Tania is working on a museum commission for a 'Gossip Wall' in Berwick Museum, with plans to experiment with texture and line for the first time in ages. (Phwoarrrrr.)
And Katie's about to have her first proper 6-week term-time break now that E's in school full time.
Whatever your plans are, have a good one! We'll be back in September.
Rough Timestamps, for you timestamp enthusiasts:
00:00 – Recording remotely, wheee
01:00 – Camping memories in France (TVs in tents)
03:00 – What does everyone's idea of a summer break look like?
04:00 – Helen's July hermit cave
05:00 – Tania's loose-deadline project
06:00 – the Gossip Wall
09:00 – Working four-hour afternoons
10:00 – Berwick Open Studios, and the Pith Sketchbook Studios workshops on 3rd & 4th October
11:00 – Walk to See, Instagram's Add Yours feature
13:00 – Sketchbooking at the Alan Carr castle auction viewing day
14:00 – Katie's first proper term-time summer break now E's in school
15:00 – Freelance guilt, privilege, trying to "do it all" rarely works
17:00 – Trying and failing to switching your email off
20:00 – RIP David Hockney
24:00 – Planning a Hockney-themed summer party
27:00 – Good luck to Helen with the Salty Dog drawings, and a peek ahead Illustration Business Club returning this autumn!
Links mentioned:
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
p.s. Illustration Business Club is coming back into the chat this autumn, join the waiting list here and keep an eye out.
https://www.thegoodshipillustration.com/business
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
What's the point in making all this gorgeous work if you don't have the confidence to share it, eh? EH!?
Who better to grill on this subject than Lauren Currie, OBE.
Lets gooo:
Timestamps, for the timestamp fans:
00:00 – Intro
01:00 – Confidence = the elephant in the room for creatives
02:00 – Lauren on why confidence matters so much, especially for women and marginalised people
05:00 – The shite UN statistic
07:00 – "What would a mediocre middle-aged man do?"
09:00 – Confidence is a team sport, not a solo endeavour
11:00 – Carrying responsibility for how everyone else feels
12:00 – 10 people whose opinions actually matter (and why it's not Jeanie from school's mum's dentist)
14:00 – Imposter syndrome
16:00 – The 1970s research that labelled women with a "syndrome" instead of looking at the system
19:00 – Why self-doubt is healthy
21:00 – Confidence is a muscle
22:00 – Lauren's art
25:00 – Old lady faces
27:00 – Should you have a separate art Instagram?
28:00 – The Barcelona art show story
32:00 – Why 'just' 20 people seeing your work is a LOT of people
33:00 – Lauren's advice for illustrators who are scared to share their work
36:00 – On hiding
38:00 – We need your art!!
Links and books etc. mentioned:
Come and say hello!
✏️ @thegoodshipillustration
🌏 www.thegoodshipillustration.com
p.s. We love answering your illustration questions. Click here to submit your question for The Good Ship Illustration Podcast 🎙
From the publisher's feed
Welcome to The Good Ship Illustration - the podcast for illustrators who are quietly working away in their sketchbooks thinking… “is it just me?”
…it’s not just…
We’re Helen Stephens, Katie Chappell and Tania Willis - three full-time illustrators from three different corners of the industry (and three different age brackets ). We live in the same seaside town in the UK and started having cuppas and chats… and accidentally became illustration agony aunts.
Now we record those chats for you! We answer your questions about confidence, tricky clients, pricing your work, creative block, picture books, publishing, and everything in between.
✨ New episodes every Friday. ✨
Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and do send us your questions!
P.s. Fancy some freebies? Head to thegoodshipillustration.com for colour workshops, picture book templates, and other treats.
Byeeee for now!
x The Good Ship Illustration (Helen, Katie & Tania)
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