Robert Bryce joins Mike to discuss the complexities of energy production, focusing on the iron law of electricity, the challenges and progress in nuclear energy, and the opposition to wind and solar projects. He emphasizes the impracticality of relying solely on alternative energy sources and highlights the increasing demand for copper in the energy transition. Bryce critiques current energy policies and the political landscape, warning of the potential social and economic consequences of misguided energy agendas.

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