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The human side of world-class engineering leadership | Michael Lopp (Apple, Palantir, Slack)


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Michael Lopp is an experienced engineering leader known for building products at iconic companies like Apple, Borland, Netscape, Palantir, and Slack. Since 2002, Lopp — as he’s more commonly known — has written about engineering, management, and leadership on his popular blog ‘Rands in Repose’. He is also the renowned author of three books: Being Geek, Managing Humans, and The Art of Leadership.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

  • Lopp’s “utopia” — where engineers have time to create and invent
  • What makes an excellent engineering leader
  • The flexibility required for managerial roles in different contexts
  • Navigating internal dynamics between design, engineering, and product
  • How to build and grow effective engineering orgs
  • The importance of understanding individual motivations
  • Key lessons from over 30 years in the industry
  • Referenced:

    • AOL: https://aol.com
    • Apple: https://www.apple.com
    • Borland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland
    • Netscape: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape
    • Palantir: https://www.palantir.com/
    • Phillipe Kahn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippekahn/
    • Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/
    • Slack: https://slack.com
    • Stewart Butterfield: https://www.linkedin.com/in/butterfield/
    • Tom Paquin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-paquin-240b4b2/
    • Where to find Michael Lopp:

      • Blog: https://randsinrepose.com/
      • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaellopp/
      • Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rands
      • Where to find Brett Berson:

        • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-berson-9986094/
        • Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/brettberson
        • Where to find First Round Capital:

          • Website: https://firstround.com/
          • First Round Review: https://review.firstround.com/
          • Twitter: https://twitter.com/firstround
          • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FirstRoundCapital
          • This podcast on all platforms: https://review.firstround.com/podcast
          • Timestamps:

            (00:00) Introduction

            (02:20) Beginning career at Borland

            (05:41) The difficulty with shipping software at scale

            (07:52) Why it’s harder to ship today than ever before

            (09:42) What makes a startup operationally sound

            (11:23) Why engineers should have concrete time to invent

            (19:42) How PMs can improve engineering culture

            (21:35) An engineer’s perspective on good product management

            (23:36) The role of product compared to design and engineering

            (26:38) How micromanagement kills creativity

            (29:35) Fostering a debate culture in an org

            (31:26) Declarative versus prescriptive leadership

            (36:09) 3 ideas on leadership from Lopp’s upcoming book

            (38:29) Understanding employee motivation

            (42:28) Advice on discovering what motivates people

            (46:06) Why teams should reorg every 6 months

            (48:32) One thing all successful leaders do

            (52:22) Why sound judgment is crucial for decision-making

            (53:45) Crystallized lessons from working at software giants

            (56:19) Why Lopp is afraid of becoming irrelevant

            (57:58) The number one leadership lesson from Lopp’s career

            (59:32) What Lopp has changed his mind on over time

            (61:12) People who had an outsized impact on Lopp

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