This week, Natasha interviewed Cleo’s former CEO and current chief business officer, SJ Sacchetti. We spoke about nearly every theme most founders and chief executives are too scared to talk about: ego, setting boundaries, stepping down and becoming a "statistic" and why a company needs to succeed without you. 

We talk about failure - or the fear of it, at least - and really, where things go wrong when we talk about how success is celebrated in tech.

As always, the full Equity crew will be back on Friday, but you can keep up with us in the meantime on Twitter @EquityPod!

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