This week, I welcome Madeline List, Manager, Research & Special Projects at Phocuswright, to first discuss the latest trending news in travel, including Europe delaying ETIAS, WTTC's call for the seven contemporary wonders of the world, and more. 

Later, List shares insights into the new travel trend rising up: The Indulgent Explorer. Who is this traveler? How are they spending their money? How does it vary across generations? And what is the travel advisor's role with indulgent explorers? 

The discussion on the indulgent explorer begins at the 17-minute mark. 

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