The Liminalist: The Podcast Between

One more casual conversation with Gib Strange, on cults, autonomy, and enlightenment,

Part One: Mimesis Good & Bad (0 – 28 mins)

Energetic experiences of Dave, the context of “enlightenment,” the theory of collective mind, defining the inexpressible, what’s different about Dave, accidentally being somebody you’re not, under the laser-beam, mannerisms exposed, actors as people who master the observer effect, lack of self-consciousness & extroversion, deficits of extroversion, reducing inhibitions, eliminating social anxiety, a world of diversions, mimesis good & bad, mindfulness, giving up drinking, the c-word, a natural tendency to seek out kindred.

Part Two: An Uncontrolled Opposition  (28 – 58 mins)

AA cult, the cult of culture, Jordan Peterson cult followers, the upsides and down sides of cults, giving up autonomy, proxies for higher authority, fake role models, unavoidable imitation, stuck in addiction, psychedelics, leaving John de Ruiter, getting disillusionment, autonomy via rebellion, individuating from the mother, killing the father, the world of competitive drinking, whatever gets you through the night, the world as satanic cult, disgruntled fan, offering a way out, what would an alternative look like, a resistance to Empire, reaching people, victims of the 1%, an uncontrolled opposition, appearances are everything, an ironic double-bind, pseudo gurus, energetic protocol, sympathy for the wrong people.

Part Three: An Athlete’s Paradox (58 mins to end)

No way out, a covert strategy & a virtual revolution, seeking form, Gnosticism & gospel, disgruntled paranoids, rats on a sinking ship, sleeping through the nightmare of history, smoking as medication, dropping coping mechanisms, a true escape party, the internal guardian, sobriety & enlightenment as boring, JdR’s secret life, the persona-shadow dynamic, pressure from drinkers, resistance to sacrifice, a reaction against giving up autonomy, the Fuck no feeling, converting teenage friends to atheism, exposing inherited beliefs, a desire vacuum, a feeling of being lost, letting go of false autonomy, doing nothing, a period of R & R, disassembling dependencies, remembering to relax, an athlete’s paradox.

Gib's site: https://notesfromtheuncannyvalley.com/

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; “Washed Out” by Monkey Warhol; "Shaman" by by The Vivisectors; “These Words Are Yours,” by Hazelwood Motel

Return conversation with Heather Tracy.

Part 1: A War in the Cells (0 - 26 mins) . On personal evolution, the reality of organized trauma, from history to personal history, from unconscious to conscious, the quest for enlightenment, a healing arc, faith, the world as distortion, cradled horror, the devil as God’s helper, being OK with the horror, the opiate of the masses, the stance of hip, the bottom of the pit, what’s beyond the pit, physical anguish, an imaginal writhing, coagulated despair, the body’s gift, avatars for the body & the intellect, Christ & Lucifer, a binary system, a war in the cells.

Part 2: The Root of the Conspiracy (26 - 54 mins). What was done to us as children, between macro & micro, the root of conspiracy, conscious motives, unconscious drives, and results, closing the book on Leonard Cohen, poison in the water, negative adaptation, adding layers, projecting an image, growing sated on culture, experiences of goodness, hope for salvation, human intervention as conduit to the divine, the pull of organized worship, a distorted lens, a certain type of surrender, a well-defined wound, traumatization & programming, when the sharks show up, Hollywood intel., Dave McGowan, Sophia & the Archons, the urge to scapegoat, rejecting the world within, flying monkey attack, the power of paranoid delusions.

Part 3: An Iceberg of Trauma (54 - 1:23 mins). Seeing persecution as validation, punishing vulnerability, healthy doubts, the pressure of growth, the position of Archon, benevolent malevolence, the impossibility of harming, law of the jungle in society, awareness of one soul, cruelty on the internet, the delicacy of interconnectivity, an iceberg of trauma, required triggering, the nigh-impossibility of trust, listening to the body, turning down the distortion, where is the mind, neuro-feedback, pre-natal peace, absence of fear,

Part Four: An Experience of the Transmission (1:23 - 1:52 mins). Dave Oshana's womb meet, paradise lost, before the mind, an abandoned body, enjoying the body, the healing power of affinity and respect, the pain of experiencing love, a yes in the cells, an experience of the transmission, a foreign vitality, Dave’s face, staying eight forever, the price of coolness, the mind’s configuration against the love, a floating sense of delight, the unconditional condition of love, a tangled web of not-love, the fascination of the labyrinth, left-brain dissociation, the mind as DID, the portion of awareness that is safe, the Dave event, trust and the need for an intervention, other beings, endlessly seeking the good, a terrifying conundrum, freedom from mind

Part Five: A Thief in the Night (1:52 - end).  A preference for nonhuman entities, turning to one another, one big avoidance project, from John de Ruiter to Dave Oshana, seeing humanness, a thief in the night, ordinary trustworthiness, unlovable examples of enlightenment, enlightened psychopaths, a reptilian state, icy transcendence, how do you know the Antichrist, the spiritual version of Clint Eastwood, the difference between power and freedom, the ultimate psychological risk management system, multitasking trauma, true power as radical vulnerability, the smart move, cognitive dishevelment, reality checking. 

Heather’s site: https://thicketworks.com/

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; “Gotta Get Right” by Eilen Jewell; "Answer Me" by The Apartment; "Between My Ears" by Little Teeth;  “If You Are Hell Girl” by The UpsideDown; “These Words Are Yours,” by

Second part of conversation with Martin Jolly on Dave Oshana, Enlightenment Real & Imagined.

Staring at the Sun (0 - 32 mins): Allowing for ambiguity, separating the good from the bad, where Dave Oshana comes in, an orientation towards the good, seeking an experience outside time, on the edge of asinine, spiritual language, energetic sense of being observed, looking at the sun, a particular kind of corroboration, putting aside doubts, being misled about the existence, a consistent element throughout Jasun’s output, an opportunity for the soul to exist, many disguises, being a sensation, a tough act, Dave’s hygiene, the impact of attention, conditions for spontaneity.

The Statue of Enlightenment (32 - 60 mins): Impressions of Dave, the human side of enlightenment, assumptions of invulnerability, a conception of a statue, taken out of the human domain, ceasing to be seen as a person, the terminator super-ego, John de Ruiter, the rejection of the personal, the illusion of the impersonal, hiding trauma, veering off intimacy, the association between the eternal and the ideal, where transcendence comes from, the insidious ideals, true spontaneity, a measure of integrity, a parody of a guru.

Brightest Star (60 mins to end): Aversion to becoming a commodity, into the just-possible, selling books, an unfulfilled potential, a high barrier of entry, waiting for the signs, the capacity to notice, the problem with having (or being) a center of attention, the brightest star in the sky, getting to know the configuration, the danger of hierarchy, leaving the Dave project, the possibility of feeling differently, saying too much, cooking a meal for someone, sharing a delight.

Dave's site

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; “No Place to Go” by Eilen Jewell; "Buried Treasure" by Grant-Lee Phillips; “These Words Are Yours,” by Hazelwood Motel

Part one of two, talking with Martin Jolly about Dave Oshana, recognizing the eternal, and the dark side of society.

A Sensation of the Eternal (0 - 25 mins): feeling vulnerable, a missed allusion, a writer’s conundrum, engaging with sensation, varieties of love, the false identity's barriers, wanting ideal love, infantile yearning, a rejection of love, negative reinforcement, the armor of cool, an earned position of strength, neutralizing threats with presence, something eternal, becoming sick, letting go of the ego, a new from of communication, intimidated by love, seeing & being seen.

The Tower of Babel (25 - 46 mins): the seen vs. the not-seen, electric boogaloo, Dark Oasis, denying inconvenient possibilities, a positive conundrum, fascination with the dark, the eternal by proxy, different forms of transcendence, belief in eternal evil, Prisoner of Infinity, a bodily correspondence with eternal guidance, hatred of the divine, the lure of occultism, denial as prayer, a cry of anguish, the Tower of Babel, rejecting the father, creating the Patriarchy.

Canceling Allegiance to the World (46 mins to end): Accusations of being a shill, being in an open state, men's problem with crying, cleaning up messes at Auticulture, a changing policy, fear of a trap, Bertrand Russell & passive resistance, 180 degree turn from dark to light, an internal prison, the possibility of freedom, the problem of us and them & the distinct elite, a consistent sin of hubris, Vice of Kings, the problem with scapegoating the 1%, canceling one’s allegiance to the world, condemnation and self-rejection, the messiness of parapolitics, a quagmire of corruption, going against one's principals to save the world, conspiratainment vs. understanding, humility & healing, losing 90% of one's audience.

Dave Oshana free online event (NB: you need to both register & respond to the orientation email before 3 pm UK time on Friday 5th April.)

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange;  "Closing Time" by Stealing Orchestra; “Blow It All Away” by Eilen Jewell; “Broken Before We're Grown,” by Hazelwood Motel

Epic conversation with Sam Hyde on the poison art, Stanley Kubrick & Sam Peckinpah, writing Peckinpah script, getting script to Johnny Depp, meeting Peckinpah, Paul Seydor, hanging with Sam in Mexico, being weaned from mother by Sam, seeing Platoon at 10, a generation of drinkers, sticking to the script, Weddle’s bio, cleaning up Peckinpah’s image, Paul Kael & Peckinpah, loving Sam, the catharsis of The Wild Bunch, Sam’s front, the poet’s armor, Bring Me the Head of Sam Peckinpah, a beautiful self-destroying machine, motivated by “why not?”, a scorpion surrounded, the price of art, a vampire hive, an audience of one, a sentient virus & a cosmic wink, possessed by Peckinpah's spirit, soul rescue operation, ancestral resonance, giving Peckinpah the death he deserves, Sons of Lee Marvin, dog brothers, working with Jim Jarmusch, Dead Man, Tom Waits family connection, art as death, the dark side of Hollywood, writing with blood, a blood pact, a Faustian bargain, organized crime in LA & New York, sooky LA ceremonies, creepy acting classes, reality checking, Hollywood conspiracy culture, Black Dahlia killing, James Ellroy’s conspiracy fiction, intelligence services, organized crime, child trafficking, & the nature of the beast, a rare conversation, an invisible line between creative genius & self-destruction, the solace art provides, articulation & authenticity, art as communication, Seen & Not Seen, removing the glamor from art, Kurt Cobain & heroin promotion, the devil’s temptation, seduced by movies in childhood, the suspension of disbelief pact, reifying a dream, the Hollywood fantasy, fiction writing, the nature of money & power, divine intervention, what the soul wants, letting go of false meaning, good & bad patterns, self-consciousness & fear, Lucifer & Satan, the ego as huddle of thoughts, salvia divinorum, simulations of death, Cormac McCarthy, influences on Shooting the Ghost, crystallizing the unconscious.

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; "Weary BLues" by Stephen Bartolomei; "Us Ones In Between Final," by Annelyse; “The Devil At My Side” by Paul Wild; “Till You Lay Down Your Heavy Load” by Eilen Jewell; “These Words Are Yours,” by Hazelwood Motel