Welcome back to the Messy Success Podcast… Just because you're exceptional at your craft doesn't automatically mean you're ready to teach it—and in the creative industry, that gap is quietly costing people money, credibility, and opportunity. In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with educator, speaker, and conference host Laylee Emadi for an honest, behind-the-scenes conversation about what it really takes to step into leadership through speaking and education. From pitching and rejection, to ethics, messaging, and what most people skip before chasing visibility, this episode pulls back the curtain on an industry many creatives want to enter—but few are truly prepared for. If you've ever thought "I'm not getting chosen" or wondered what's missing between where you are and where you want to be, this episode will meet you there—with clarity, honesty, and grounded encouragement. Press play, listen with an open mind, and take a moment to reflect on what kind of leader you're becoming.