The Modern Meeting

Four different breaking points. Four different paths back. For this special Recovery Month episode of The Modern Meeting, Adam continues his conversation with Rachel M., Stephen B., Jonathan M., and Mandy S., four people in recovery from four very different forms of gambling.

Part 2 begins with the moment each of them knew something had to change. From a phone call made from a moving car, to ninety days in treatment, to a conversation on a beach that changed everything, they share their last bets, what finally led them to ask for help, and the different paths they’ve taken in recovery. The conversation ends with each of them speaking directly to the person who may be listening, recognizing pieces of their own story, and wondering whether it’s time to make a change.

The experiences, opinions, and language shared by guests are their own. The Vermont Council on Gaming & Health supports person-centered, non-stigmatizing approaches to gambling-related harm and does not endorse language that stigmatizes individuals experiencing gambling problems or gambling disorder.

If gambling is affecting you or someone you care about, support is available.

📞 Call 1-800-GAMBLER
💬 Chat live 24/7 at VTGamblingHelp.org
🤝 Connect with a Peer Support Specialist who understands the recovery journey
💙 Access free, confidential support and treatment resources
🚫 Ask about Vermont’s Voluntary Self-Exclusion Program
https://liquorandlottery.vermont.gov/exclusion-list

RECOVERY IS POSSIBLE

The Vermont Council on Gaming & Health is recruiting people in Vermont with lived experience for a special Lived Experience Advisory Panel. Interested in getting involved? Email [email protected].

This special Recovery Month episode of The Modern Meeting is supported by the Vermont Council on Gaming & Health.

Gambling addiction doesn’t always look the same. Sports betting. Online casinos. Scratch tickets. Casino gambling. The games may be different, but the experiences underneath them can be remarkably similar.

In this special Recovery Month episode, Adam is joined by Rachel M., Stephen B., Jonathan M., and Mandy S., four people whose gambling took very different forms. In Part 1 of Different Games, Shared Experiences, they talk about how gambling entered their lives, how it progressed, and what life looked like when it was at its worst. The conversation explores chasing losses, secrecy, financial consequences, lying and manipulation, isolation, the accessibility of online gambling, and the mental obsession that can make stopping feel impossible.

From sports betting and online casinos to scratch tickets and traditional casino gambling, their stories show just how differently gambling addiction can develop while revealing the experiences that can connect people across every form of gambling.

If you’re struggling right now, you’re not alone.
Email me anytime at [email protected]

If gambling is affecting you or someone you care about, support is available.

📞 Call 1-800-GAMBLER

💬 Chat live 24/7 at VTGamblingHelp.org

🤝 Connect with a Peer Support Specialist who understands the recovery journey

💙 Access free, confidential support and treatment resources

🚫 Ask about Vermont’s Voluntary Self-Exclusion Program:
Vermont Voluntary Self-Exclusion Program

RECOVERY IS POSSIBLE

The Vermont Council on Gaming & Health is recruiting people in Vermont with lived experience for a special Lived Experience Advisory Panel.

Interested in getting involved? Email [email protected]

This special Recovery Month episode of The Modern Meeting is sponsored by VTGamblingHelp.org, with additional support from the Vermont Council on Gaming & Health.

Janice Johnson Dowd is in long-term recovery from alcohol. Her daughter Katie Dowd Walker was a teenager watching it happen. Together they host the podcast Recovering Relationships, and they sat down with Adam to talk about the part of addiction most people never hear about: what it does to a family, and how long it takes to come back from.

Janice spent her whole career in the addiction field and swore she'd never become an alcoholic. Katie shares the exact moment she knew something was wrong, and why she still carries guilt about it. And they get honest about the years they were estranged, and the thing nobody warned either of them about, that getting sober was only the beginning.

If you’re struggling right now, you’re not alone.
Email me anytime at [email protected]

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Connect with Janice & Katie:
Website: https://www.janicejohnsondowd.com/

Recovering Relationships Podcast (YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/@RecoveringRelationshipsPodcast

Book — Rebuilding Relationships in Recovery: https://www.amazon.com/Rebuilding-Relationships-Recovery-Addiction-science-based/dp/B0D66G562C

Psychotherapist and gambling specialist Sean Bourgeoise joins The Modern Meeting to break down what effective gambling treatment actually looks like. We talk about why focusing entirely on not gambling can keep gambling at the center of your life, creating space between an urge and a bet, rebuilding trust in yourself, and Sean’s “Fire Your Evil Caddy” approach to responding to mistakes.

Later, I take Sean back to 2021, a year before my final bet, and become the version of myself who was still gambling, chasing losses, making promises I couldn’t keep, and believing the next win could fix everything. Sean treats it like a real therapy session, challenging my old thinking in real time and showing what gambling-specific treatment might have looked like before I was ready to stop.

If you’re struggling right now, you’re not alone.
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Mary Santora is 118 days removed from her last bet, but she isn't pretending the desire disappeared with it. In Part 2, she's brutally honest about what early recovery actually looks like: still romanticizing gambling, still missing it every day, and not ready to say she'll never gamble again. She opens up about the casino session that finally pushed her to self-exclude, choosing a five-year ban instead of a lifetime one, and sometimes staying in bed just so she doesn't have time to drive to a casino.

But the conversation becomes about something bigger than gambling. When Mary talks about missing the escape, the excitement, the zoning out, the numbing, it turns into a realization about the pattern that's followed her whole life: school, comedy, alcohol, gambling, all different ways of avoiding what she didn't want to feel. What follows is an emotional, unscripted conversation about surrender, discomfort, and learning how to stop running.

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Mary Santora is a nationally touring stand-up comedian with two full-length specials that hit number one, and this is the first time she's telling her gambling story anywhere outside a GA room. Mary grew up poor in Cleveland, the daughter of a severe gambling addict, in a house where cards, scratch-offs, and trips to the horse track were just what a childhood looked like. In Part 1 of our conversation, she talks about a father she could only ever seem to connect with at a casino, a mouth that got her into as much trouble as it got her out of, and how the thing she was raised inside of slowly became her own.

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For those of you who've been here since the beginning, you've heard a lot of this before, scattered across ninety-something cold opens. For those of you who haven't, here it is: my story, start to finish, in one sitting, for the first time.

Uncle Rick and a craps game on my grandmother's carpet when I was nine. A panic attack in college that turned into a year of my life I still can't fully explain. Countless "fresh starts" in countless cities that were never actually about starting fresh. A craps roll that should have been the best night of my gambling life and turned out to be the worst thing that ever happened to me.

Last Bet: February 8, 2022. 

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Austin P sits down with Adam just after celebrating one year without a bet and a day away from celebrating one year sober from alcohol. Austin first recognized his gambling problem more than a decade ago, eventually attending GA and going to inpatient treatment in 2015. Austin talks with Adam about his first experience with treatment, why he believes it didn’t stick, the progression of his gambling, the role alcohol played, and the events that led him back into recovery nearly ten years later. They also discuss what the last year has looked like as Austin works to rebuild his life, his relationships, and the trust that was lost along the way.

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Jimmy Morris is a compulsive gambler in recovery from Chicago, and the host of the podcast Gambling Recovery: Taking Back Your Life. Jimmy grew up in Little Italy, where everyone gambled and everyone knew everyone. He got introduced to a bookie in high school, and what started as something to kill time with his friends turned into something else entirely. He spent years going in and out of the rooms, admitting he had a problem the whole time and still unable to put it down. He got into fights that nearly killed people, did a stretch in county jail, and watched the disease reach into every corner of his life, long after the money stopped being the point.

If you’re struggling right now, you’re not alone.
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Back in 2016, I took another bailout from my Dad, but this time it came up with some serious strings attached. Then it's the full NCPG recap. Four days in Nashville...from my first presentation of Addiction Time Capsule and the conversations that meant the most to me, to karaoke, throwing out my back in the dumbest way imaginable, and why I left feeling more hopeful about the future of gambling recovery than I did when I arrived.

If you’re struggling right now, you’re not alone.
Email me anytime at [email protected]

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