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Ben Isaacson, Founder of InHouse Privacy and longtime privacy attorney, joins the podcast to break down how California’s CPPA is reshaping the data broker landscape. From the DELETE Act and the drop mechanism to the broad definition of “sale” and “direct relationship,” Ben explains why ad tech, retail media, clean rooms, and even auto and smart TV companies may be in scope. He also shares what enforcement could look like in 2026, why smaller brokers may not survive, and the biggest misconception that continues to put companies at risk.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Ben Isaacson’s privacy origin story and early internet lobbying
09:06 How CPPA enforcement is reshaping CCPA and CPRA
12:53 What California’s data broker definition really means
14:37 Why ad tech, DSPs, DMPs, and clean rooms may be in scope
17:42 Retail media networks and off platform monetization risk
26:26 The DELETE Act drop mechanism and 2026 enforcement timeline
29:02 Authorized agents and the rise of deletion services
38:06 The future of the data broker industry
41:15 The biggest misconception companies still believe about selling data
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AI ethicist and governance pro Shoshana Rosenberg joins Alan Chapell to discuss how to build a framework for addressing the legal and regulatory risks involving AI. Given all the new AI and profiling rules flowing down into the ads space in 2026, Shoshana is exactly the person the ads space should be listening to right now.
Pre-order Shoshana’s book “Practical AI Governance” here -
www.practicalaigovernance.com
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and defining AI governance
01:09 Why AI governance is about strategy, not compliance
02:41 Shoshana’s path from engineer and Navy JAG to AI governance
05:22 Digital agency as a human right
09:13 What explainability should look like in advertising
11:23 The complexity of the ad tech ecosystem
13:25 Gaps in global AI regulation
17:06 Procurement and government contracting as enforcement levers
20:49 The tension between PETs and transparency
28:02 Agentic AI and worsening accountability gaps
29:30 Explainability by design by 2029
31:42 Practical guidance for little tech building with AI
35:11 The PRISM framework explained
38:43 Upcoming book and where to find Shoshana
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Alan Chapell is joined by Professor Jess Miers, visiting assistant professor of the University of Akron School of Law. Jess and Alan discuss some of the inherent challenges around protecting kids on the internet, and how those challenges are increasingly leading policymakers to age verification as the solution. While Alan is curious to see how this approach plays out in Australia, both Jess and Alan are skeptical that age verification will be good for kids or privacy in general.
Professor Miers’ Bio: https://www.uakron.edu/law/faculty/directory/profile.dot?u=jmiers
Chapell Regulatory Insider: https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters:
00:01 Welcome + where Jess is calling from
00:36 Policy to academia + why it fits
02:07 Viral CA testimony moment
04:52 What problem age verification is trying to solve
07:03 Youth harm evidence and why causality is nuanced
10:27 Australia: under-16 ban and early consequences
13:54 Europe/UK: “age assurance,” feature limits, and gating
16:37 US: First Amendment and shifting legal strategies
22:55 Why age verification is risky: anonymity + data honeypots
44:28 Where to find Jess + wrap; transcript ends
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Alan Chapell is joined by Tom Kemp, the Executive Director of California's privacy regulator CalPrivacy, to discuss the launch of the DROP data deletion mechanism and California’s rules regarding the Global Privacy Control. While complimentary of California's efforts, Alan attempts to uplevel the discussion to talk more broadly about the larger public policy goals driving California's privacy regime.
Tom Kemp's Bio: https://cppa.ca.gov/about_us/
Tom Kemp's Article: https://www.techpolicy.press/lets-make-privacy-easy/
Chapell Regulatory Insider: https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:01 Intro and where Tom is calling from
01:04 What CalPrivacy is and Tom’s role
03:33 Why he took the job and his background
06:18 What’s still on the roadmap from “Let’s Make Privacy Easy”
08:18 What DROP is and how it works
11:05 Early adoption: 200,000+ signups
14:26 Privacy paradox and why “making it easy” matters
17:39 Other states showing interest in a DELETE Act model
20:41 Whether DROP could expand beyond California
23:04 Privacy harms and enforcement focus areas
31:14 Opt out preference signals (GPC/OOPS) and how they fit
37:11 Browser conflicts of interest and potential OOPS regs
41:23 Authorized agents and possible additional regulation
45:57 Defining “data broker” and who must register
54:57 Where to find CalPrivacy resources and closing
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This week, Brendan Benedict joins Alan Chapell to talk about some of the recent civil antitrust complaints filed against Google by publishers including Penske, The Atlantic, McClatchy, Conde Nast, and Vox Media. With Judge Brinkema's remedies decision pending and a slew of other jurisdictions (e.g., EU, Canada) attempting to remedy Google's adtech practices, why are so many publishers and adtech companies jumping into the pool?
Brendan Benedict may be found at: https://www.benedictlawgroup.com/brendan-benedict
The Chapell Regulatory Insider is available at: https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Intro & Guest Welcome
02:20 DOJ Remedies Decision Still Pending
06:20 Overview of Private Civil Lawsuits Against Google
07:05 Publisher Allegations
08:30 Damages Scale Discussion
10:05 DOJ Heavy Lifting for Private Plaintiffs
13:00 Case Consolidation & MDL Structure
15:25 Google Appeal Strategy
19:05 Duke Energy & “Monopoly Broth” Issue
21:45 Jury Trial Avoidance and Implications
23:45 Texas AG Case Expansion
26:00 Europe and Divestiture Pressure
29:05 Calculating Lost Revenue Damages
31:10 Statute of Limitations Debate
33:05 Settlement Likelihood & Bellwether Trials
39:20 FTC Meta Appeal Sidebar
48:10 Final Takeaways Summary
52:15 Closing & Upcoming Guest Preview
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David LeDuc from the Network Advertising Initiative (NAI) sits down with host Alan Chapell to discuss the NAI's reinvention of its self-regulatory efforts in light of the influx of U.S. state privacy laws. They discuss what a good privacy law looks like, the challenges around finding the right balance, California's new Deletion tool, and the likelihood of a U.S. federal privacy law in the near term.
More on David LeDuc and the NAI at https://thenai.org/about-the-nai-2/staff/
More on the Chapell Regulatory Insider at https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Welcome and episode overview
02:23 Who is David LeDuc and what is the NAI today
06:00 Are lobbyists really the problem
09:40 Kids’ data, age verification, and policy tensions
13:06 Educating regulators vs legislators
18:04 Ad tech vs data brokers
21:10 What does a “perfect” privacy law look like
30:27 California’s Delete Request and Opt-Out Platform
35:40 Global Privacy Control and browser obligations
39:25 AI regulation through privacy and consumer protection laws
44:20 Predictions for 2026
50:21 Where to find David and the NAI
52:10 – Final wrap-up
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Alan Chapell is joined by Dr. Travis Hall - Director for State Engagement at the Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT), a nonpartisan organization focused on civil rights and liberties in the digital age. They talk about the ads space through a lens balancing consumer expectations with business interests and debate the merits of the private right of action.
Travis Hall’s bio is available at https://cdt.org/staff/travis-hall/
Chapell Regulatory Insider is available at https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways:
Chapter:
00:00 Introduction and Personal Insights
01:18 Understanding the Center for Democracy and Technology
04:33 The Role of CDT in State Privacy Legislation
10:20 Consumer Expectations and Privacy Law
16:11 Elements of Effective State Privacy Laws
21:26 Challenges in Data Minimization Enforcement
24:27 The Impact of GDPR on Ad Tech
26:22 Enforcement Challenges in Digital Media
30:22 The Role of Private Right of Action
38:52 Improving Targeted Advertising Practices
46:02 Acknowledging the Tension in Data Practices
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Professor Daphne Keller joins host Alan Chapell to discuss the implications of the EU Court of Justice decision in Russmedia - demonstrating that "breaking the Internet" is no longer solely the domain of pop stars like Taylor Swift. An expert in platform regulation and intermediary liability, Professor Keller explains how the CJEU's Russmedia decision poses significant challenges for companies operating in the digital media space in Europe.
Daphne Keller's bio may be found at https://law.stanford.edu/daphne-keller/.
The Chapell regulatory outlook report may be found at https://chapellreport.substack.com/.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Welcome and show premise
02:05 Daphne Keller and why Russmedia matters
04:00 Why intermediary liability shields exist
06:20 Distinction between Section 230 in the U.S. (absolute liability shield) and the EU notice and takedown regime under the e-commerce directive.
08:45 GDPRand right to be forgotten as background context.
11:00 Russmedia facts and Romanian state court path
13:45 Advocate General view processor vs controller
16:00 CJEU view as joint controllership is the lynchpin of the case.
23:30 Proactive checks and the general monitoring contradiction
34:40 What platforms can do now and the practical tradeoffs
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Host Alan Chapell welcomes Commissioner Mark Meador of the Federal Trade Commission to talk about the future of conservative antitrust, the importance of protecting kids and the impact of the regulatory environment on the digital media marketplace.
Commissioner Meador's bio can be found at https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/commissioners-staff/mark-r-meador.
The Chapell Report can be found at https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 FTC Priorities for 2026
03:53 Antitrust Focus and Challenges
07:50 Protecting Children Online
12:08 The Role of 6B Studies
15:54 Learning from Past FTC Experiences
19:41 Addressing AI and Deceptive Claims
23:43 Consumer Choice and Market Dynamics
27:43 Key Takeaways for Digital Media Stakeholders
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Peter Craddock joins Alan Chapell to discuss the EU Digital Omnibus proposal - and debate the value of simplification of the digital privacy rules in Europe. Peter views these changes as pragmatic, while Alan is concerned that we’re trading in one set of ambiguities to another.
More on Peter Craddock https://www.khlaw.com/people/peter-craddock.
More on Alan's Regulatory Outlook Substack https://chapellreport.substack.com/welcome
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Peter returns and sets the stage for what the EU Digital Omnibus is and why it exists.
04:20 How the proposal and Court of Justice rulings reshape the meaning of personal data for ad tech.
10:00 What pseudonymous companies can argue today under SRB and related cases.
15:40 Why ePrivacy consent rules still bite even if GDPR does not apply.
20:40 Browser-based consent controls and why industry expects pushback.
26:10 How regulators may respond, and why pragmatism is becoming more visible.
35:40 Legitimate interest for AI training versus consent for monetization.
41:00 Whether the changes help smaller players and what uncertainty remains.
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