JP Schmetz, Chief of Search and Ads at Brave, joins Alan Chapell to debate the questions that most browser executives won't touch on the record. Should publishers stop outsourcing ad sales to Meta and Google? Is "first-party vs. third-party" a meaningful distinction to users — or a convenient line Brave draws to justify default blocking? Alan pushes back. JP pushes back harder. Featuring references to Jason Kint at DCN, GPC defaults, The Knight-Georgetown Institute (KGI) report covering data sharing pursuant to the DOJ Search remedies (among other items), and why rooting against the AI investment cycle is, by default, rooting for Google to win everything again.
The KGI Report on data sharing is available at
https://kgi.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Designing_the_Technical_Committee_Report_KGI-FINAL-April-2026.pdf.
Sumit Sharma’s Report on Data Sharing is available at
https://insights.sumitsharma.consulting/p/google-search-remedies-implementation
The Chapell Regulatory Insider is available at
https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
- Brave believes browsers should prioritize users over advertisers.
- JP argues Google’s monopoly power comes from distribution and monetization.
- Brave blocks third-party requests by default for privacy reasons.
- Alan and JP debate the merits of blocking ads in the name of privacy.
- Brave Search now powers parts of the AI search ecosystem.
- AI could redistribute traffic away from traditional search engines.
- JP believes publishers became too dependent on programmatic ad tech.
- Subscription-based AI models may create a healthier internet economy.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and meeting JP Schmetz
00:36 Can browsers still serve users first?
04:05 Why browsers need search revenue to survive
05:49 The economics of search advertising
08:10 DOJ remedies, Chrome, and Google dominance
10:39 Brave’s evolution from privacy browser to search business
12:47 Why Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers
16:18 Publishers, ad tech, and selling ads directly
19:18 Ad tech circumvention and browser controls
22:02 Is Brave hurting publisher monetization?
25:05 Contextual advertising vs third-party tracking
28:47 Global Privacy Control and browser defaults
32:36 Brave Search, Google defaults, and monetization
34:56 Google data sharing and search competition
41:15 AI, search, and the future of the internet
46:30 Subscription models vs ad-funded AI
49:43 Why competition against Google still matters
51:25 Final thoughts and closing remarks
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