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JP Schmetz, Chief of Search and Ads at Brave, joins Alan Chapell to debate the questions that most browser executives won't touch on the record. Should publishers stop outsourcing ad sales to Meta and Google? Is "first-party vs. third-party" a meaningful distinction to users — or a convenient line Brave draws to justify default blocking? Alan pushes back. JP pushes back harder. Featuring references to Jason Kint at DCN, GPC defaults, The Knight-Georgetown Institute (KGI) report covering data sharing pursuant to the DOJ Search remedies (among other items), and why rooting against the AI investment cycle is, by default, rooting for Google to win everything again.
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Don Marti joins Alan Chapell to unpack the hidden risks behind the push for industry standards for “privacy-safe” ad attribution, the myth of privacy-preserving tech, and how big platforms may be reshaping the future of digital advertising.
The Chapell Regulatory Insider is at https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Don Marti may be found at: https://aloodo.com/
See Don Marti’s recent AdExchanger piece at https://www.adexchanger.com/data-driven-thinking/what-happens-when-the-attribution-cartel-meets-advertisings-halo-effect/
Additional discussion re: the problems with PETs for advertising
https://privacy-daily.com/news/2025/06/10/PrivacyEnhancing-Technologies-Are-Not-a-Silver-Bullet-PEPR-Told-2506100010
https://rjionline.org/news/the-traffic-and-revenue-crisis-for-news-is-a-symptom-of-big-techs-economy-wide-trust-collapse/
https://rjionline.org/news/big-tech-is-squeezing-advertising-jobs-and-companies/
https://rjionline.org/news/big-techs-economic-takeover-can-be-beat/
https://rjionline.org/news/big-tech-runs-counter-to-journalism-values-so-why-is-the-news-industry-helping-tech-take-over/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Intro & What Don Marti Has Been Working On
01:18 The “Marti Paradox”
02:52 What Attribution Really Means
03:35 The Broken State of Attribution Today
07:32 Complexity, Perception & Industry Behavior
08:21 The Problem with “Privacy-Preserving” Tech
11:54 Big Tech Incentives & Centralization
16:17 The Halo Effect & Ad Effectiveness
17:01 Commodification vs Sustainable Advertising
21:28 Attribution Fraud Explained
23:49 Data Laundering Through Attribution Systems
26:09 The “Attribution Cartel” Defined
29:17 W3C, Standards & Industry Power Dynamics
32:29 Alternative Approaches (AdMap)
37:03 What Good Privacy Regulation Looks Like
40:56 The Future of Attribution
43:20 What Industry Stakeholders Can Do
45:00 Rethinking Privacy Harms
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Andrew Woods, GC of SSP Pubmatic, joins Alan Chapell to discuss Pubmatic’s approach to agentic ads — and how AI has irrevocably changed the legal profession. Pubmatic’s recent agentic test campaign results were a hit at Marketecture Live, and Andrew goes deep into what he believes will need to happen in order for agentic to live up to its promise.
The Chapell Regulatory Insider is available at https://chapellreport.substack.com/.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:10 Introduction to the episode and Andrew Woods
02:01 Andrew’s background and journey into ad tech
04:20 Lessons from Twitter on privacy and user safety
06:29 What a General Counsel does in modern ad tech
08:43 Biggest lesson from global privacy enforcement
11:04 Building trust between legal and business teams
13:21 Who is liable in agentic AI advertising
16:29 Why logging and data provenance matter
18:27 The role of compliance signals and guardrails
20:57 Why agentic compliance frameworks are not built yet
22:57 Regulation versus fragmentation challenges
24:55 How PubMatic approaches privacy by design
27:10 Data minimization in practice
28:16 Non-negotiables for agentic compliance frameworks
31:57 Where industry discussions are happening
33:50 The future of agentic AI in advertising
36:42 How PubMatic’s legal team uses AI today
40:26 Why traditional legal work is disappearing
45:09 Final thoughts and closing
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The Monopoly Report’s Alan Chapell sits down with FTC Commissioner Mark Meador at Marketecture Live to discuss industry privacy self-regulation, the future of the cookie opt-outs, the use of privacy as an anticompetitive pretext, and some ideas for better protecting kids online.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and role of self-regulation in advertising
00:41 Why self-regulation still matters and how it should work
02:27 What makes self-reg effective in the eyes of the FTC
04:12 The limitations of cookie-based privacy tools
06:03 Global privacy controls and market-driven solutions
08:38 Balancing privacy and competition in digital markets
10:33 Protecting children online and age verification innovation
14:29 Solving privacy concerns in age verification systems
15:38 Why universal identity checks are not the goal
18:06 Measuring harm in “free” digital platforms
20:25 Current state of antitrust enforcement
23:07 Addressing monopolies after consolidation has occurred
25:28 Rethinking antitrust and the risks of concentrated power
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Host Alan Chapell is joined by Ajit Varma and Kush Amlani from Mozilla, where they talk about the intersection of privacy and competition, the weaponization of privacy, and how Mozilla is placing a bet that staying true to their core privacy principles will enable Firefox to succeed over the long term.
The Chapell Regulatory Insider may be found at - https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Kush Amlani is Director, Global Competition & Regulation at Mozilla, leading the work to create a level playing field in digital markets internationally. Prior to joining Mozilla, Kush was a Senior Competition & Regulatory Lawyer at the BBC for five years, based in London. He joined the BBC from SJ Berwin LLP (later Kings & Wood Mallesons), where he worked on antitrust cases across the UK and EU, spanning sectors such as energy, media, telecoms, and pharmaceuticals.
In his role as Head of Firefox, Ajit Varma leads the development of the Firefox strategy, ensuring it’s a delightful experience for current users, as well as those of the future. Ajit has years of product management experience from Square, Google, and, immediately prior to joining Mozilla, Meta, where he was responsible for monetization of WhatsApp and overseeing Meta’s business messaging platform. Earlier in his career, he was a co-founder and CEO of Adku, a venture-funded machine learning platform that was acquired by Groupon. Ajit has a BS from the University of Texas at Austin. He is based in the Bay Area.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Intro to Mozilla’s role in privacy and competition
00:41 Why product and policy are now inseparable
03:03 Kush’s path into law and regulation
04:49 How browsers evolved into user agents
08:26 New AI browsers and distribution strategies
09:40 Mozilla’s approach to monetization without selling data
12:14 Why privacy matters more than ever
15:15 Privacy vs competition in regulation
24:08 Mozilla’s AI strategy and avoiding dependency
27:42 What trustworthy AI actually means
31:36 Privacy-enhancing technologies and their limits
34:11 The trade-offs of privacy-first business models
40:23 Why competition and browser diversity matter
41:32 The importance of Mozilla’s Gecko engine
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Host Alan Chapell is joined by Mark Naples of WIT Strategy, where they discuss the history of self-reg in the ads space, the NAI's origins in 2000, the DAA's launch a decade later, and the rise of the cookie opt-out mechanism. They also get into AI and whether that will change the path of innovation in adtech.
Find Mark Naples here https://www.witstrategy.com/mark-naples.
The Chapell Regulatory Insider may be found here - https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Intro & Welcome to the Monopoly Report
02:20 Setting the Stage: Privacy, Regulation & Ad Tech
03:30 The NAI Origins & Early Industry Tensions
08:30 DoubleClick vs. Open AdStream Models
12:00 Privacy vs. Transparency: What Actually Mattered
16:30 The Birth of the DAA & Self-Regulation
22:00 Was the DAA Really a Success?
27:00 Big Tech’s Rise & Missed Warning Signs
32:00 Cookie Opt-Outs & Technical Reality
36:30 Power, Regulation & the Role of Government
41:00 AI’s Impact on PR & Media Quality
45:00 The Decline of Innovation in Ad Tech
49:00 What the Industry Should Be Talking About: Engagement
52:00 Where to Find Mark & Closing
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Allison Schiff, Managing Editor at AdExchanger and host Alan Chapell, break down the growing tension between business incentives and ethical responsibility in the ad tech industry. The background context is the recent RFI from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Who within the larger ad space is willing to admit - WE are part of the problem.
Check out the Chapell Regulatory Insider at https://chapellreport.substack.com/.
Takeaway
Chapter
00:00 Introduction & Guest Background
04:09 ICE RFI & Industry Silence
08:06 Ethics & Industry Responsibility
13:34 Public Positions & Industry Response
18:13 Surveillance Advertising & Data Use
23:42 Regulation & State Laws
29:09 Privacy Challenges & Vulnerable Populations
36:48 Data Practices & Transparency
43:18 Drivers of Privacy Reform
48:06 Industry & Regulatory Challenges Ahead
52:14 Closing Thoughts
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Tony Katsur, CEO of IAB Tech Lab, joins Alan Chapell to unpack the rise of agentic AI and its impact on privacy and data governance. They explore why current approaches fall short and how the industry risks repeating past mistakes. The discussion breaks down vector embeddings and how they enable data matching without exposing raw user information. They also examine ongoing challenges around compliance, consent, and data deletion in AI-driven systems. Finally, the episode covers AI content marketplaces and how frameworks like COMP aim to bring structure, transparency, and fair compensation to publishers.
The Chapell Regulatory Insider may be found here: https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Intro and discussion on agentic AI hype vs reality
01:12 Why privacy is missing from the agentic AI conversation
03:34 Challenges with DSARs and scaling privacy compliance
05:08 Existing privacy frameworks and how they apply to agentic systems
07:44 The role of privacy taxonomy and data classification
12:38 Explaining vector embeddings and privacy-safe data matching
18:30 Compliance challenges with embeddings and data transparency
24:26 Agent registry and identity verification in agentic systems
30:54 AI content marketplaces and the COMP framework
35:24 COMP vs RSL and licensing models
38:15 Content tracking, tokenization, and transparency challenges
42:48 The future of AI content marketplaces
44:38 Why industry participation in Tech Lab is critical
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Sheila Colclasure joins host Alan Chapell to discuss some key lessons learned in a career that included significant privacy, AI and data governance roles at Acxiom and IPG. Sheila shares what inspired her to coin the term “March Fairness” as well as a few secrets on how to influence senior decision-makers on privacy and data governance issues.
You can find the Chapell Regulatory Insider at https://chapellreport.substack.com/
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Sheila Colclasure and the evolution of privacy governance.
02:00 Sheila’s privacy origin story and early work building Acxiom’s governance program.
04:20 Lessons from auditing data sources and creating ethical data sourcing standards.
09:20 Why documentation and governance discipline matter in privacy programs.
11:00 Building a digital responsibility framework across dozens of agencies at IPG.
17:30 The evolving debate around data brokers and regulatory scrutiny.
26:00 The concept of “March Fairness” and applying fairness to data governance.
30:30 AI, governance challenges, and the coming impact of quantum computing.
41:30 Career advice for privacy professionals
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