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  • Episode 76: John Battelle on AI, Data Ownership and the Future of the Open Internet
    Alan Chapell sits down with journalist, entrepreneur, and Wired co-founder John Battelle for a deep discussion on AI, privacy, data ownership, publishing, and the future of the internet. They unpack the “inner monologue bloom,” OpenAI’s ambitious ad revenue projections, the economics behind content creation in the AI age, and why Battelle believes data portability could unlock an entirely new innovation economy. From programmatic advertising to platform control, this conversation explores who will ultimately control the next era of digital infrastructure.
    You may find John at https://battellemedia.com/ or https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbattelle/.
    You may find the Chapell Regulatory Insider at https://chapellreport.substack.com/.
    Takeaways
    - AI chatbots are creating a new “inner monologue” data economy.
    - Data is non-rivalrous, but tech platforms treat it like a closed asset.
    - OpenAI’s $100B ad revenue target would require massive market disruption.
    - Publishers still lack a scalable AI monetization model.
    -Programmatic ad tech may be one of the most underutilized infrastructures online.
    - Battelle argues consumers should own portable, machine-readable versions of their data.
    - AI agents could reshape commerce, search and personalization.
    - Platform control battles are shifting from browsers to AI ecosystems.
    - Local journalism faces a growing sustainability crisis in the AI era.
    - The next phase of the internet may depend on user-controlled AI agents.
    Chapters
    00:00 Alan introduces John Battelle and his background in tech and media.
    03:00 The “inner monologue bloom” and AI-driven privacy concerns.
    09:20 Why data is treated incorrectly as a rivalrous asset.
    15:00 OpenAI’s $100B advertising ambition and whether it’s realistic.
    19:30 The future of AI agents and user-controlled personal data.
    27:15 Apple, platform gatekeeping and the fight for user agency.
    35:00 The economics of AI infrastructure and compute costs.
    39:55 How AI impacts publishers, local journalism and content monetization.
    50:55 Retail media, first-party data and the future of advertising.
    58:00 Journalism as a public good and the risks of centralized AI control.
    01:01:00 Why programmatic ad tech remains massively underestimated.
    01:11:30 Battelle’s proposed “Token Act” and machine-readable data portability.
    01:16:45 Final thoughts and where to follow John Battelle.
    Guests: Alan Chapell

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    1 hr 16 min
  • Episode 75: Brave's JP Schmetz: ‘Publishers Need to Get Their Act Together'

    JP Schmetz, Chief of Search and Ads at Brave, joins Alan Chapell to debate the questions that most browser executives won't touch on the record. Should publishers stop outsourcing ad sales to Meta and Google? Is "first-party vs. third-party" a meaningful distinction to users — or a convenient line Brave draws to justify default blocking? Alan pushes back. JP pushes back harder. Featuring references to Jason Kint at DCN, GPC defaults, The Knight-Georgetown Institute (KGI) report covering data sharing pursuant to the DOJ Search remedies (among other items), and why rooting against the AI investment cycle is, by default, rooting for Google to win everything again.

    The KGI Report on data sharing is available at
    https://kgi.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Designing_the_Technical_Committee_Report_KGI-FINAL-April-2026.pdf.
    Sumit Sharma’s Report on Data Sharing is available at
    https://insights.sumitsharma.consulting/p/google-search-remedies-implementation
    The Chapell Regulatory Insider is available at
    https://chapellreport.substack.com/ 

    Takeaways
    - Brave believes browsers should prioritize users over advertisers.
    - JP argues Google’s monopoly power comes from distribution and monetization.
    - Brave blocks third-party requests by default for privacy reasons.
    - Alan and JP debate the merits of blocking ads in the name of privacy.
    - Brave Search now powers parts of the AI search ecosystem.
    - AI could redistribute traffic away from traditional search engines.
    - JP believes publishers became too dependent on programmatic ad tech.
    - Subscription-based AI models may create a healthier internet economy.
    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction and meeting JP Schmetz
    00:36 Can browsers still serve users first?
    04:05 Why browsers need search revenue to survive
    05:49 The economics of search advertising
    08:10 DOJ remedies, Chrome, and Google dominance
    10:39 Brave’s evolution from privacy browser to search business
    12:47 Why Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers
    16:18 Publishers, ad tech, and selling ads directly
    19:18 Ad tech circumvention and browser controls
    22:02 Is Brave hurting publisher monetization?
    25:05 Contextual advertising vs third-party tracking
    28:47 Global Privacy Control and browser defaults
    32:36 Brave Search, Google defaults, and monetization
    34:56 Google data sharing and search competition
    41:15 AI, search, and the future of the internet
    46:30 Subscription models vs ad-funded AI
    49:43 Why competition against Google still matters
    51:25 Final thoughts and closing remarks


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    55 min
  • Episode 74: The Attribution Cartel: Why “Privacy-Safe” is NOT what it’s made up to be

    Don Marti joins Alan Chapell to unpack the hidden risks behind the push for industry standards for “privacy-safe”  ad attribution, the myth of privacy-preserving tech, and how big platforms may be reshaping the future of digital advertising.


    The Chapell Regulatory Insider is at https://chapellreport.substack.com/

    Don Marti may be found at: https://aloodo.com/ 

    See Don Marti’s recent AdExchanger piece at https://www.adexchanger.com/data-driven-thinking/what-happens-when-the-attribution-cartel-meets-advertisings-halo-effect/  

    Additional discussion re: the problems with PETs for advertising

    https://privacy-daily.com/news/2025/06/10/PrivacyEnhancing-Technologies-Are-Not-a-Silver-Bullet-PEPR-Told-2506100010

    https://rjionline.org/news/the-traffic-and-revenue-crisis-for-news-is-a-symptom-of-big-techs-economy-wide-trust-collapse/ 

    https://rjionline.org/news/big-tech-is-squeezing-advertising-jobs-and-companies/ 

    https://rjionline.org/news/big-techs-economic-takeover-can-be-beat/ 

    https://rjionline.org/news/big-tech-runs-counter-to-journalism-values-so-why-is-the-news-industry-helping-tech-take-over/ 


    Takeaways

    • Privacy-focused users are often the most valuable customers, challenging traditional ad tech assumptions about measurability.
    • Attribution is fundamentally about linking ad exposure to outcomes, but current models often prioritize simplicity over accuracy.
    • “Privacy-preserving” systems frequently focus on mathematical guarantees that don’t align with real-world privacy harms like discrimination or deception.
    • Proposed attribution standards may unintentionally increase surveillance incentives by enabling fraud and data laundering.
    • Fraud in attribution systems can reward actors who intercept users right before purchase, distorting true performance signals.
    • Big tech companies may benefit from attribution systems that reinforce their own ad recommendations, reducing competition.
    • The “halo effect” shows ads perform better in trusted, premium environments, but current systems undervalue this dynamic.
    • A shift toward cheap, commoditized ad placements weakens both brand equity and publisher sustainability.
    • The so-called “attribution cartel” is defined by systems that avoid user consent and bypass opt-out mechanisms.
    • Effective privacy regulation should focus on real-world harms rather than technical implementation details.
    • Chapters

      00:00 Intro & What Don Marti Has Been Working On

      01:18 The “Marti Paradox”

      02:52 What Attribution Really Means

      03:35 The Broken State of Attribution Today

      07:32 Complexity, Perception & Industry Behavior

      08:21 The Problem with “Privacy-Preserving” Tech

      11:54 Big Tech Incentives & Centralization

      16:17 The Halo Effect & Ad Effectiveness

      17:01 Commodification vs Sustainable Advertising

      21:28 Attribution Fraud Explained

      23:49 Data Laundering Through Attribution Systems

      26:09 The “Attribution Cartel” Defined

      29:17 W3C, Standards & Industry Power Dynamics

      32:29 Alternative Approaches (AdMap)

      37:03 What Good Privacy Regulation Looks Like

      40:56 The Future of Attribution

      43:20 What Industry Stakeholders Can Do

      45:00 Rethinking Privacy Harms

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      47 min
    • Episode 73: Pubmatic isn’t messing around with Agentic Ads

      Andrew Woods, GC of SSP Pubmatic, joins Alan Chapell to discuss Pubmatic’s approach to agentic ads — and how AI has irrevocably changed the legal profession. Pubmatic’s recent agentic test campaign results were a hit at Marketecture Live, and Andrew goes deep into what he believes will need to happen in order for agentic to live up to its promise.

      The Chapell Regulatory Insider is available at https://chapellreport.substack.com/. 


      Takeaways

      • Agentic AI does not create new liability; it accelerates existing frameworks
      • Accountability sits with whoever deploys the agent
      • Logging and decision provenance will be critical for compliance
      • Privacy compliance is less about difficulty, more about fragmentation
      • Hope is not a plan when it comes to regulatory scrutiny
      • Data minimization is becoming a real engineering constraint
      • AI will eliminate routine legal work but elevate strategic problem-solving
      • Agentic systems can become powerful compliance tools if built correctly

      • Chapters

        00:10 Introduction to the episode and Andrew Woods

        02:01 Andrew’s background and journey into ad tech

        04:20 Lessons from Twitter on privacy and user safety

        06:29 What a General Counsel does in modern ad tech

        08:43 Biggest lesson from global privacy enforcement

        11:04 Building trust between legal and business teams

        13:21 Who is liable in agentic AI advertising

        16:29 Why logging and data provenance matter

        18:27 The role of compliance signals and guardrails

        20:57 Why agentic compliance frameworks are not built yet

        22:57 Regulation versus fragmentation challenges

        24:55 How PubMatic approaches privacy by design

        27:10 Data minimization in practice

        28:16 Non-negotiables for agentic compliance frameworks

        31:57 Where industry discussions are happening

        33:50 The future of agentic AI in advertising

        36:42 How PubMatic’s legal team uses AI today

        40:26 Why traditional legal work is disappearing

        45:09 Final thoughts and closing

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        52 min
      • Alan Chapell’s Fireside chat with FTC Commissioner Meador

        The Monopoly Report’s Alan Chapell sits down with FTC Commissioner Mark Meador at Marketecture Live to discuss industry privacy self-regulation, the future of the cookie opt-outs, the use of privacy as an anticompetitive pretext, and some ideas for better protecting kids online.


        Takeaways

        • Self-regulation still matters, but must be effective and avoid collusion risks.
        • Privacy and competition often exist in tension and require balance.
        • Cookie-based systems are imperfect and depend on better alternatives emerging.
        • Risks around using privacy as a pretext to lock up the browser market or access to critical data.
        • Transparency is key for both consumer protection and fair competition.
        • Age verification is advancing rapidly with privacy-conscious innovation.
        • “Free” platforms still involve economic transactions and consumer trade-offs.
        • Antitrust enforcement is shifting toward tackling dominant players’ conduct.

        • Chapters

          00:00 Introduction and role of self-regulation in advertising

          00:41 Why self-regulation still matters and how it should work

          02:27 What makes self-reg effective in the eyes of the FTC

          04:12 The limitations of cookie-based privacy tools

          06:03 Global privacy controls and market-driven solutions

          08:38 Balancing privacy and competition in digital markets

          10:33 Protecting children online and age verification innovation

          14:29 Solving privacy concerns in age verification systems

          15:38 Why universal identity checks are not the goal

          18:06 Measuring harm in “free” digital platforms

          20:25 Current state of antitrust enforcement

          23:07 Addressing monopolies after consolidation has occurred

          25:28 Rethinking antitrust and the risks of concentrated power

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          30 min
        • Episode 72: Can Mozilla succeed by doing right by its User base?

          Host Alan Chapell is joined by Ajit Varma and Kush Amlani from Mozilla, where they talk about the intersection of privacy and competition, the weaponization of privacy, and how Mozilla is placing a bet that staying true to their core privacy principles will enable Firefox to succeed over the long term. 


          The Chapell Regulatory Insider may be found at - https://chapellreport.substack.com/

           

          Kush Amlani is Director, Global Competition & Regulation at Mozilla, leading the work to create a level playing field in digital markets internationally. Prior to joining Mozilla, Kush was a Senior Competition & Regulatory Lawyer at the BBC for five years, based in London. He joined the BBC from SJ Berwin LLP (later Kings & Wood Mallesons), where he worked on antitrust cases across the UK and EU, spanning sectors such as energy, media, telecoms, and pharmaceuticals.


          In his role as Head of Firefox, Ajit Varma leads the development of the Firefox strategy, ensuring it’s a delightful experience for current users, as well as those of the future. Ajit has years of product management experience from Square, Google, and, immediately prior to joining Mozilla, Meta, where he was responsible for monetization of WhatsApp and overseeing Meta’s business messaging platform. Earlier in his career, he was a co-founder and CEO of Adku, a venture-funded machine learning platform that was acquired by Groupon. Ajit has a BS from the University of Texas at Austin. He is based in the Bay Area.


          Takeaways

          • Product and policy are now deeply intertwined in modern tech decisions
          • Some browsers are increasingly evolving into AI-powered agents Mozilla prioritizes user choice, transparency, and choice-driven AI experiences
          • Privacy and competition should work together, not against each other
          • Open source and browser diversity are critical hedges against Big Tech dominance
          • Mozilla intentionally sacrifices revenue to stay aligned with its core privacy and trust principles
          • The future of AI depends on interoperability and low barriers to entry

          • Chapters

            00:00 Intro to Mozilla’s role in privacy and competition

            00:41 Why product and policy are now inseparable

            03:03 Kush’s path into law and regulation

            04:49 How browsers evolved into user agents

            08:26 New AI browsers and distribution strategies

            09:40 Mozilla’s approach to monetization without selling data

            12:14 Why privacy matters more than ever

            15:15 Privacy vs competition in regulation

            24:08 Mozilla’s AI strategy and avoiding dependency

            27:42 What trustworthy AI actually means

            31:36 Privacy-enhancing technologies and their limits

            34:11 The trade-offs of privacy-first business models

            40:23 Why competition and browser diversity matter

            41:32 The importance of Mozilla’s Gecko engine

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            46 min
          • Episode 71. The Revisionist History of Privacy Self-Reg in the Ads Space

            Host Alan Chapell is joined by Mark Naples of WIT Strategy, where they discuss the history of self-reg in the ads space, the NAI's origins in 2000, the DAA's launch a decade later, and the rise of the cookie opt-out mechanism. They also get into AI and whether that will change the path of innovation in adtech.

            Find Mark Naples here https://www.witstrategy.com/mark-naples.


            The Chapell Regulatory Insider may be found here - https://chapellreport.substack.com/


            Takeaways

            • The DAA’s core goal was to delay, if not prevent, government regulation—and it worked
            • Transparency was helpful, but didn’t meaningfully protect users
            • Over the years, the focus was on regulating smaller players while Big Tech scaled unchecked
            • Cookie-based opt-outs were flawed but persisted because they “worked” (kind of, sort of)
            • AI is degrading critical thinking and originality in communications
            • Innovation in ad tech has slowed significantly - will the rush to agentic speed it back up?
            • Engagement matters more than clicks, but most marketers still don’t get it

            • Chapters

              00:00 Intro & Welcome to the Monopoly Report

              02:20 Setting the Stage: Privacy, Regulation & Ad Tech

              03:30 The NAI Origins & Early Industry Tensions

              08:30 DoubleClick vs. Open AdStream Models

              12:00 Privacy vs. Transparency: What Actually Mattered

              16:30 The Birth of the DAA & Self-Regulation

              22:00 Was the DAA Really a Success?

              27:00 Big Tech’s Rise & Missed Warning Signs

              32:00 Cookie Opt-Outs & Technical Reality

              36:30 Power, Regulation & the Role of Government

              41:00 AI’s Impact on PR & Media Quality

              45:00 The Decline of Innovation in Ad Tech

              49:00 What the Industry Should Be Talking About: Engagement

              52:00 Where to Find Mark & Closing

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              45 min
            • Episode 70: Ad Tech at a Turning Point with Allison Schiff of AdExchanger

              Allison Schiff, Managing Editor at AdExchanger and host Alan Chapell, break down the growing tension between business incentives and ethical responsibility in the ad tech industry. The background context is the recent RFI from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.   Who within the larger ad space is willing to admit - WE are part of the problem. 


              Check out the Chapell Regulatory Insider at https://chapellreport.substack.com/. 


              Takeaway

              • In the ad space, Incentives sometimes drive behavior more than ethics.
              • Regulation has adjusted core practices, but hasn’t changed the mindset.
              • Data use has a real human impact.
              • Data flows continue to lack transparency.
              • Reform will require multiple forces.

              • Chapter

                00:00 Introduction & Guest Background

                04:09 ICE RFI & Industry Silence

                08:06 Ethics & Industry Responsibility

                13:34 Public Positions & Industry Response

                18:13 Surveillance Advertising & Data Use

                23:42 Regulation & State Laws

                29:09 Privacy Challenges & Vulnerable Populations

                36:48 Data Practices & Transparency

                43:18 Drivers of Privacy Reform

                48:06 Industry & Regulatory Challenges Ahead

                52:14 Closing Thoughts

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                53 min
              • Episode 69: Anthony Katsur, CEO at IAB Tech Lab: Navigating AI, Privacy, and Adtech’s Agentic Future

                Tony Katsur, CEO of IAB Tech Lab, joins Alan Chapell to unpack the rise of agentic AI and its impact on privacy and data governance. They explore why current approaches fall short and how the industry risks repeating past mistakes. The discussion breaks down vector embeddings and how they enable data matching without exposing raw user information. They also examine ongoing challenges around compliance, consent, and data deletion in AI-driven systems. Finally, the episode covers AI content marketplaces and how frameworks like COMP aim to bring structure, transparency, and fair compensation to publishers.

                The Chapell Regulatory Insider may be found here: https://chapellreport.substack.com/


                Takeaways

                • Agentic AI brings powerful automation but risks repeating past privacy failures without strong governance frameworks in place.
                • Existing privacy standards like TCF and GPP can be embedded into agentic systems but need further evolution and enforcement.
                • Vector embeddings enable privacy-conscious data matching by comparing similarity rather than sharing raw data.
                • Data deletion and compliance remain unresolved challenges when user data is embedded into AI models or vectors.
                • Audit, attestation, and accountability mechanisms are critical to prevent misuse and misrepresentation in agentic ecosystems.
                • AI content marketplaces require structured licensing frameworks like COMP to support fair compensation and transparency.
                • Tokenization of content could improve tracking, attribution, and source-of-truth verification for publishers and brands.
                • The industry is still early in agentic development and must slow down to build privacy-first foundations.


                  • Chapters

                    00:00 Intro and discussion on agentic AI hype vs reality

                    01:12 Why privacy is missing from the agentic AI conversation

                    03:34 Challenges with DSARs and scaling privacy compliance

                    05:08 Existing privacy frameworks and how they apply to agentic systems

                    07:44 The role of privacy taxonomy and data classification

                    12:38 Explaining vector embeddings and privacy-safe data matching

                    18:30 Compliance challenges with embeddings and data transparency

                    24:26 Agent registry and identity verification in agentic systems

                    30:54 AI content marketplaces and the COMP framework

                    35:24 COMP vs RSL and licensing models

                    38:15 Content tracking, tokenization, and transparency challenges

                    42:48 The future of AI content marketplaces

                    44:38 Why industry participation in Tech Lab is critical

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                    53 min
                  • Episode 68: How to Build a Privacy Program with Charm & Gravitas

                    Sheila Colclasure joins host Alan Chapell to discuss some key lessons learned in a career that included significant privacy, AI and data governance roles at Acxiom and IPG. Sheila shares what inspired her to coin the term “March Fairness” as well as a few secrets on how to influence senior decision-makers on privacy and data governance issues.


                    You can find the Chapell Regulatory Insider at https://chapellreport.substack.com/


                    Takeaways

                    • Sheila's journey into privacy began in 1997 at Axiom.
                    • Building a culture of privacy is essential for success.
                    • Documentation is crucial for privacy and AI governance.
                    • Words matter in privacy and AI governance discussions..
                    • Data brokers play a vital role in the information services industry.
                    • Regulatory scrutiny on data brokers has evolved over the years.
                    • March Fairness highlights the importance of fairness in data usage.
                    • AI presents new challenges and opportunities for privacy.
                    • Understanding corporate strategy is key for privacy professionals.
                    • Sensitive data should generally be avoided in advertising use cases.

                    • Chapters

                      00:00 Introduction to Sheila Colclasure and the evolution of privacy governance.

                      02:00 Sheila’s privacy origin story and early work building Acxiom’s governance program.

                      04:20 Lessons from auditing data sources and creating ethical data sourcing standards.

                      09:20 Why documentation and governance discipline matter in privacy programs.

                      11:00 Building a digital responsibility framework across dozens of agencies at IPG.

                      17:30 The evolving debate around data brokers and regulatory scrutiny.

                      26:00 The concept of “March Fairness” and applying fairness to data governance.

                      30:30 AI, governance challenges, and the coming impact of quantum computing.

                      41:30 Career advice for privacy professionals

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                      49 min

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