Swing for the Fences: A Deep Dive into Bull Durham

Welcome to this episode of The Most Excellent 80s Movies Podcast! Join hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell as they welcome special guest Nate McWhortor—a self-proclaimed superfan—to discuss the 1988 baseball romance Bull Durham. This isn't your typical sports movie; it's a sultry, quotable journey through minor league baseball that explores love, mentorship, and the religion of America's pastime.

The Church of Baseball

The hosts dive deep into what makes Bull Durham unique among sports films. Unlike major league fantasies, this movie captures the gritty reality of minor league baseball—from shitty buses to $20,000 salaries. Guest Nate McWhortor brings real-world perspective, having worked for the Montgomery Biscuits after college, inspired by this very film. The discussion reveals how writer-director Ron Shelton's own minor league experience creates authentic moments that resonate with anyone who's lived the unglamorous side of professional sports.

The trio explores the film's adult themes and memorable dialogue, from Kevin Costner's gruff wisdom as Crash Davis to Susan Sarandon's Annie Savoy—a poetry-loving baseball groupie who mentors young players. They analyze the unique love triangle that develops and how the film balances romance with genuine baseball storytelling. The conversation touches on everything from the film's hard R rating to its Academy Award nomination for Best Original Screenplay.

Key Discussion Points:

• The authenticity of minor league baseball portrayal and its impact on small communities
• Kevin Costner's evolution from leading man to "grumpy Costner" in this breakout role
• The film's adult themes and quotable dialogue that baseball fans still use today
• How Bull Durham differs from other 80s baseball movies like Major League and Field of Dreams
• The unique perspective of having a female narrator in a male-dominated sports genre

Final Verdict

The hosts deliver their "garter ratings" with Nate giving his favorite film a perfect 10/10, while Krissy and Nathan both land on a respectable 7/10. Despite some pacing issues in the final act, everyone agrees the film holds up as both a baseball movie and a romance, though they warn it's definitely not for young viewers despite its quotable nature.

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Join us for a wild ride under the bed!
The Most Excellent 80s Movies Podcast dives into the bizarre world of Little Monsters (1989), starring Fred Savage and Howie Mandel. Hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell are joined by comedy all-star Jenna Jacobsen from Mesa's Neighborhood Comedy Theater to dissect this attempt at creating "Beetlejuice for kids."

Was this monster movie a trick or treat?
Our panel discovers that Little Monsters is equal parts gross-out humor and confusing world-building. While the film tries to capture every kid's dream of causing mischief without consequences, it struggles with unclear rules about its monster underworld and features an unlikable protagonist who goes from indignant victim to gleeful prankster. The hosts debate whether Fred Savage's Brian learns any real lessons or just perpetuates cycles of bullying behavior.

Production struggles show on screen
The podcast explores how ambitious creature design and elaborate set pieces were hampered by obvious budget constraints and poor lighting. Howie Mandel's manic performance as Maurice the monster feels more cocaine-fueled 80s punk than kid-friendly guide, while the film's gross-out gags land with a thud rather than laughs. Even Mandel reportedly hated making the movie due to the uncomfortable makeup and warehouse filming conditions.

The verdict: Creative concept, flawed execution
Despite mixed reactions from the panel (ratings ranged from 4 to 6 out of 10 horns), the hosts appreciate the film's swing-for-the-fences mentality and Ben Savage's surprisingly strong child acting performance.

Other Topics Covered:

• Peanut butter and onion sandwiches—Fred Savage's questionable food choice
• Comparison to Beetlejuice and Monsters, Inc. influences
• The film's excessive use of profanity for a kids' movie
• Dream Warriors-style climax with monster-fighting kids
• Cross-country chase scene logistics and plot holes
• Deep cut recommendations: Spirited Away, Clifford, The Wizard
• Bringing back "over the shoulder boulder holder" terminology

Tune in for more 80s movie mayhem at The Most Excellent 80s Movies Podcast—where we revisit the decade's gems and disasters with modern grown-up eyes!

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Holy Multimedia Event, Batman!

Join hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell with special guests Andy Nelson and Kyle Olson as they dive deep into Tim Burton's groundbreaking Batman (1989)—recorded live at the 2025 Phoenix Fan Fusion! This wasn't just a movie—it was a cultural phenomenon that changed everything we thought we knew about comic book adaptations.

Michael Keaton's Controversial Casting & Performance

The hosts discuss the massive fan backlash when Michael Keaton was cast as the Dark Knight, fresh off his comedic role in Beetlejuice. Thousands of angry letters poured in, but Keaton proved everyone wrong with his brooding, murderous take on Batman that shocked audiences expecting the campy 1960s TV version.

Jack Nicholson's Iconic Joker

From his pre-accident mob boss persona to his chemical-scarred transformation, Nicholson's Joker became the gold standard for Batman villains. The podcast explores his elaborate makeup process, brilliant branding schemes, and surprisingly sympathetic balloon scene that made audiences feel bad for Gotham's Clown Prince of Crime.

Tim Burton's Dark Gothic Vision

Burton created a Gotham City so grimy and noir it felt like 1970s New York at its worst. The hosts praise the film's revolutionary approach to superhero storytelling—taking the genre seriously for the first time since Superman while establishing the template for modern comic book movies.

Other Topics Covered:

• The film's massive $411 million box office success and cultural impact

• Batman's surprisingly murderous methods compared to modern interpretations

• The practical challenges of the original Batsuit (couldn't turn his head!)

• Prince's soundtrack and the unprecedented multimedia marketing blitz

• Behind-the-scenes studio mandates including the bell tower finale

• Robin Williams casting controversy and Hollywood politics

• Vicki Vale's problematic romance subplot and 80s dating culture

• The film's influence on superhero movie merchandising

• Comparing different Batman actors across generations

Final Verdict

All four hosts give Burton's Batman a solid 8 out of 10, praising its entertainment value, groundbreaking tone, and lasting influence while acknowledging some dated elements. This episode proves why Batman (1989) remains the definitive Dark Knight for an entire generation of fans.

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Grab your knee pads and get ready to shred! Hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell tackle the 1986 skateboarding flick Thrashin', starring baby-faced Josh Brolin fresh off The Goonies. This loose Romeo and Juliet adaptation follows Corey Webster as he navigates Venice Beach skate gangs, romance, and the ultimate downhill race—the LA Massacre.

Key Discussion Points
The 80s Sports Movie Formula: Krissy and Nathan dive deep into how Thrashin' fits the classic 80s pattern of "secret counterculture sport" movies like Bloodsport, Rad, and Over the Top. These films were made by outsiders trying to dramatize subcultures they didn’t understand, resulting in gloriously inauthentic takes on skateboarding, break dancing, and martial arts.

Skateboarding in the 80s: The hosts share personal memories of 80s skate culture—from coveting skateboard magazines and stickers to the reality of how incredibly difficult skating actually is. They discuss how the film treats skaters like gangs (the good "ramp locals" vs. the evil "daggers") rather than capturing authentic skate culture.

Baby Josh Brolin: Before becoming Thanos, Josh Brolin was a smooth-faced teenager learning his craft. The hosts appreciate his early charisma while noting he hadn't yet developed his signature gravitas.

Other Topics Covered

• Red Hot Chili Peppers' appearance as the party band
• The legendary skating pool location that real skaters cherished
• Nunchuck jousting as conflict resolution
• Hair earrings and other questionable 80s fashion choices
• The film's low-stakes Romeo and Juliet adaptation
• Skateboarding montages and safety gear appreciation
• The absurd LA Massacre downhill race finale

Final Verdict
Both hosts rate Thrashin' a solid 5-5.5/10—"aggressively okay" with enough charm to entertain but lacking the cheesy fun factor to make it memorable.

Deep Cut Recommendations

Nathan suggests Over the Top (Stallone arm wrestling) for superior 80s sports schlock, while Krissy recommends Wet Hot American Summer as the perfect parody of these types of films.

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Flashdance (1983)—Dream Big or Go Home?

In this energetic episode of The Most Excellent 80s Movies Podcast, hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell dive into the iconic 1983 film Flashdance. Neither had seen the movie before, leading to some surprising reactions as they examine this influential 80s classic through modern eyes.

Nathan reveals how Flashdance became the progenitor of the Simpson-Bruckheimer production style that dominated 80s and 90s cinema, influencing everything from Top Gun to Dirty Dancing and Footloose. The hosts discuss how this $7.5 million film that grossed nearly $100 million established the MTV-style visual language that would later evolve into the Michael Bay aesthetic.

While Krissy found herself disappointed by the movie overall (giving it just 5 out of 10 "bras removed through shirts"), both hosts agree that the dance sequences are electrifying highlights in an otherwise disjointed narrative. They examine the film's problematic message about dreams and failure—that one setback means you should abandon your ambitions altogether.

The hosts also explore the complex portrayal of Alex (Jennifer Beals) as a young woman experiencing sexual awakening while making questionable emotional decisions, and discuss the fascinating behind-the-scenes facts about Marine Jahan, the uncredited dance double who performed most of the iconic dance sequences.

Other Topics Covered:

• The problematic age gap between 18-year-old Alex and her 36-year-old boss/love interest
• The contrast between burlesque dancing at Mawby's Bar versus stripping at the club across the street
• The film's impressive soundtrack filled with 80s bangers
• Jennifer Beals' performance and her famous "bra removal through sweater" technique
• The supporting characters' abandoned dreams and limited character development
• Nathan's recommendation of All That Jazz (1979) for a more substantive dance film
• Krissy's unexpected endorsement of welding as an empowering hobby

Whether you're revisiting this classic or discovering it for the first time, this episode offers fascinating insights into how Flashdance helped shape 80s cinema despite its narrative shortcomings. As the hosts remind us, sometimes the most influential films aren't necessarily the most cohesive—but they can still deliver unforgettable moments that stand the test of time.

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The Darkest Indiana Jones Adventure
In this episode of The Most Excellent 80s Movies Podcast, hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell dive into the controversial second installment of the Indiana Jones franchise, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984). This prequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark takes our hero to Shanghai and then India for what many consider the darkest chapter in the series.

The hosts explore how the film's darker tone was influenced by George Lucas and Steven Spielberg's personal lives at the time, with both going through difficult periods that affected the creative direction. Despite being considered the black sheep of the original trilogy, Temple of Doom has gained appreciation over time for its unique qualities and memorable moments.

Nathan shares his childhood memory of seeing the film in theaters and covering his eyes during the infamous heart-ripping scene—the very scene that, along with Red Dawn, prompted the creation of the PG-13 rating that changed Hollywood forever. Both hosts give the film high marks (8-8.5 out of 10), placing it just below The Last Crusade in their rankings.

Key topics discussed:

• How Temple of Doom works as a prequel set in 1935 (before Raiders)
• The incredible Shanghai club opening sequence and its filming challenges
• Short Round as one of the best sidekicks in the series who sadly never returned
• Kate Capshaw's performance as Willie Scott and her real-life sedatives for the bug scenes
• The film's cultural insensitivity issues and how they were meant to be portrayed
• Why the mine cart chase might be 20% too long but remains iconic
• Practical effects including stop-motion animation and early compositing techniques
• Indiana Jones' character as more of an anti-hero than classic hero
• The brilliant suspension bridge finale and Mola Ram as a memorable villain

In their deep cut recommendations, Nathan suggests exploring Bollywood classics like Om Shanti Om featuring Shahrukh Khan, while noting that Amrish Puri (Mola Ram) appears in the classic DDLJ. Krissy recommends checking out Ke Huy Quan's (Short Round) recent renaissance, including his Oscar-winning performance in Everything Everywhere All at Once.

Whether you're covering your eyes during the heart scene or laughing at Willie's dinner reactions, Temple of Doom remains a unique, polarizing adventure that helped define 80s action cinema.

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David Lynch's Dark Suburban Masterpiece

Join hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell with special guests Andy Nelson and Pete Wright as they dive into David Lynch's controversial classic Blue Velvet (1986), a film that exposed the dark underbelly beneath idyllic small-town America.

When college student Jeffrey Beaumont (Kyle MacLachlan) discovers a severed ear in a field, he's drawn into a twisted mystery involving nightclub singer Dorothy Vallens (Isabella Rossellini) and the terrifying Frank Booth (Dennis Hopper). The hosts explore how Lynch creates a jarring contrast between 1950s suburban aesthetics and the disturbing criminal world that exists beneath the surface.

The panel discusses how Blue Velvet serves as Lynch's most accessible work while still containing his signature surrealism. Unlike his later films that abandon traditional narrative structure, Blue Velvet follows a relatively straightforward detective story, making it an excellent entry point for viewers new to Lynch's filmography. The film's lasting impact can be seen in later works like Twin Peaks, which further developed many of the themes and visual styles first explored here.

Dennis Hopper's unhinged performance as Frank Booth remains one of cinema's most memorable villains, with the hosts noting how Hopper reportedly told Lynch, "I am Frank Booth," when accepting the role that many actors had turned down due to its disturbing nature.

Topics Discussed:

• The film's juxtaposition of 1950s idealism with 1980s darkness
• Lynch's signature visual style and sound design techniques
• The voyeuristic themes and Jeffrey's seduction by darkness
• Isabella Rossellini's haunting performance as Dorothy Vallens
• How Blue Velvet compares to Lynch's other works
• The famous "Pabst Blue Ribbon" scene
• Lynch's influence on subsequent filmmakers and media
• Each host's rating of the film (on a scale of Pabst Blue Ribbons)

The episode concludes with deep-cut recommendations including The Reflecting Skin (1990), John Cheever's short story "The Swimmer," and the video games Alan Wake and Control - all works that share thematic or stylistic elements with Lynch's universe.

Whether you're a Lynch devotee or curious newcomer, this episode offers fascinating insights into a film that continues to disturb and captivate audiences over three decades after its release.

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A Disney Renaissance Classic

Join hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell with special guest Mandy Kaplan as they dive under the sea to explore Disney's animation breakthrough The Little Mermaid. This 1989 film marked the beginning of the Disney Renaissance and set the template for modern Disney princess stories with its memorable songs and colorful characters.

The trio discusses how this film revolutionized Disney animation, introducing the now-standard "I Want" song with "Part of Your World" (which executives initially wanted to cut!). They explore how Ariel represented a new kind of Disney princess: rebellious, independent, and actively pursuing her dreams, even if those dreams involved marrying a handsome prince at sixteen.

From Ursula's divine inspiration (literally—she was modeled after drag queen Divine) to the spectacular voice talents of Jodi Benson, Pat Carroll, and Buddy Hackett, the podcast examines what made this film so magical. They also hilariously point out the movie's scientific inaccuracies and questionable life lessons while acknowledging its undeniable charm and cultural impact.

Key topics covered:

• How The Little Mermaid launched the Disney Renaissance
• The groundbreaking songwriting and animation techniques
• Scientific inaccuracies that plague the underwater world
• Ariel's questionable decision-making as a lovestruck teenager
• Perfect villain creation with Ursula the sea witch
• The hidden Disney princess dress references in Ariel's pink gown
• Voice actor highlights, including Mandy's date with the voice of Prince Eric!
• The film's enduring legacy and influence on subsequent Disney films
• Deep cut recommendations including Robin Hood, Enchanted, and the Descendants franchise

Whether you're a Disney adult or just appreciate the film's artistic significance, this episode captures why The Little Mermaid continues to enchant audiences decades later. As Krissy notes, "Whatever the magic is, they've got it." So grab your dinglehopper, brush up on your seagull vocabulary, and remember to be excellent to each other!

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The Epic Conclusion to the Original Star Wars Trilogy

Join hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell, along with special guest Francis Zagarigo, as they dive into the thrilling conclusion of the original Star Wars trilogy—Return of the Jedi (1983). This episode explores how the final installment wraps up the saga with its unforgettable characters, iconic scenes, and the ultimate battle between good and evil.

Francis shares that this was his first time watching the film and declares it his favorite of the trilogy. Nathan, on the other hand, ranks it third but acknowledges its powerful ending. The hosts debate the merits of the Jabba's Palace sequence, with Krissy humorously describing it as "a Colombian drug dealer's backyard party," complete with dancing girls and bounty hunters.

The group also examines Luke Skywalker's character arc, noting his all-black costume and monk-like demeanor, which hint at his potential temptation by the dark side. They highlight the reveal of Luke’s green lightsaber, a practical filmmaking choice that perfectly aligns with his character's evolution.

Key Topics Covered

• The impressive Jabba the Hutt puppet that weighed 2,000 pounds and cost $500,000 to build
• The problematic yet iconic "Slave Leia" metal bikini costume
• The Ewoks as an allegory for indigenous peoples overcoming technologically superior invaders
• Ian McDiarmid's scene-stealing performance as Emperor Palpatine
• The emotional redemption of Darth Vader and his sacrifice to save Luke
• The satisfying conclusion that brings the original trilogy full circle
• Special edition changes, including CGI additions and an altered musical number

Host Ratings and Deep Cut Recommendations
The hosts rate the film highly: Francis and Nathan both give it 8.5 out of 10 Ewoks, while Krissy insists it deserves a perfect 10 out of 10 Ewoks. For "deep cut" recommendations, Nathan suggests The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King as another excellent trilogy conclusion, Francis recommends Gremlins 2, and Krissy suggests Phineas and Ferb: Star Wars.

Whether you're a lifelong Star Wars fan or experiencing the trilogy for the first time, this episode captures the magic that made Return of the Jedi an unforgettable cinematic experience that continues to resonate with audiences decades later.

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Groundbreaking Digital Frontier or 80s Tech Fantasy?
Join hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell with special guest Joe Malone as they venture into the neon-lit digital world of Tron (1982). This revolutionary sci-fi adventure follows computer programmer Kevin Flynn (Jeff Bridges) as he's transported inside a computer system where he must battle alongside Tron against the tyrannical Master Control Program.

The hosts dive deep into what makes this film a landmark in cinema history—it was the first major film to use extensive computer-generated imagery, so groundbreaking that the Academy disqualified it from special effects nominations because they considered using computers "cheating." Despite its commercial underperformance, the film's arcade games became massive hits, showcasing its cultural impact.

Joe shares his fascinating journey with the film, initially creating a list titled "Why I Hate It" after his first viewing, only to create a contrasting "Why I Actually Really Like It" list after his second watch. The hosts agree that while the narrative sometimes falls flat and the graphics appear dated by today's standards, the film deserves recognition for pioneering digital filmmaking and presciently exploring AI concerns that remain relevant today.

Nathan, a childhood fan, rates it 7.5/10 "frisbees," while newfound Tron defender Joe gives it 7.6, and Krissy lands at 6.5, noting that even her cat refused to watch it with her.

Key topics discussed:

• Jeff Bridges' performance and undeniable charm
• The revolutionary computer graphics and special effects
• The film's religious undertones with users portrayed as godlike beings
• The iconic Light Cycle sequences
• Similarities to Star Wars' narrative structure
• Connections to modern concerns about artificial intelligence
• The unusual costume designs and world-building
• The surprising romantic "threpple" dynamics between characters

The episode concludes with movie recommendations including Blade Runner (1982), WarGames (1983), and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004) as companions to Tron. Whether you're a devoted fan or new to this digital frontier, this episode illuminates why Tron remains a fascinating artifact of early digital filmmaking and 80s sci-fi imagination.

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