How do negative portrayals of migrants and refugees impact social cohesion within a society? 

What is "crimmigration," and what are the issues with using criminal law frameworks in immigration contexts?

Do political incentives shape the discourse on migration and distract from other security threats?

In this episode, Alan Gamlen, Kate Ogg, and Dorota Gozdecka join Danielle Ireland-Piper to discuss "crimmigation”, why migration is a politically charged issue, and discuss High Court cases that have influenced Australia’s approach to migration and refugee laws.

Professor Alan Gamlen is the Director of the ANU Migration Hub and Professor in the ANU School of Regulation and Global Governance.  

Professor Kate Ogg is a Professor and the Associate Dean of Higher Degree Research at the ANU College of Law. 

Professor Dorota Gozdecka is a Professor of Law at the University of Helsinki in Finland.   

Dr Danielle Ireland-Piper is Academic Director and Associate Professor at the ANU National Security College. 

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Show notes  

• Listener survey
• NSC academic programs: find out more   
• Kate Ogg's book
• Dorota Gozdecka's book
• Alan Gamlen in The Guardian
• Mark J. Miller and Stephen Castles: The age of migration  
• Jim Hollifield and Phillip Martin: Controlling immigration: a global perspective 
• Reyna Grande and Sonia Guiñansaca: Somewhere we are human: authentic voices on migration, survival and new beginnings 
• William Maley: Australia's refugee policy: domestic politics and diplomatic consequences 
• Professor James Hathway: The rights of refugees under international law  

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Collective mobilisation is needed for an adequate response to climate change. How do we get there?

How does climate change affect militaries? What role can technology play in mitigating the risks?

What challenges does federalism pose in the effort to address climate change?

In this episode, Tom Middendorp, Chris Barrie, Cheryl Durrant, and Sophie Lewis join Danielle Ireland-Piper to examine the critical link between climate change and national security, and what action is needed to mitigate the risks posed by it. 

General (Retired) Middendorp AO is the Chair of the International Military Council on Climate and Security and the former Dutch Chief of Defence. 

Admiral (Rtd) Chris Barrie AC is the former Australian Chief of the Defence Force and a founding and executive member of the Australian Security Leaders Climate Group. 

Cheyrl Durrant is the Former Director of Preparedness and Mobilisation at the Australian Department of Defence and a founding and executive member of the Australian Security Leaders Climate Group. 

Dr Sophie Lewis is ACT Commissioner for Sustainability and the Environment.   

Dr Danielle Ireland-Piper is Academic Director at the ANU National Security College (NSC).  

TRANSCRIPT 

Show notes

• Listener survey: The Nation Security Podcast 
• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• Tom Middendorp’s book – The Climate General  
• Chris Barrie’s report – Climate change, security and Australia’s Defence Force  

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What is the significance of rare earths and critical minerals for Australia and its partners?  

How does Australia’s conception of critical minerals differ from its partners? How do critical minerals lists reflect how those states view resource supply chains and vulnerabilities?  

With China currently dominating the rare earths value chain, how can Australia protect its interests in this space?

In this episode, Hayley Channer and John Mavrogenes join David Andrews to discuss critical minerals and rare earths and the geopolitical landscape surrounding them. 

Hayley Channer is Director, Economic Security at the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney.  

Professor John Mavrogenes is a Professor of Economic Geology at the ANU Research School of Earth Sciences.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC).  

TRANSCRIPT

Show notes:  

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• NSC's professional development program on rare earths and critical minerals 
• Kim Beazley’s call for a rare earths and critical minerals ‘Pillar 3’ for AUKUS 
• Jeff Wilson’s paper on how the Quad could play a coordinating role in this space 

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What are the key takeaways from the 2024 Quad Leaders’ Summit?  

The Quad has helped its members to align and coordinate key policies, but what more needs to be done to improve its ability to deliver on major initiatives?  

Would the Quad benefit from pursuing a foundational treaty, agreement, or common branding, or is it better served by retaining its current, flexible approach? 

In this episode, Gaurav Saini and Kate Clayton join David Andrews to discuss the 2024 Quad Leaders’ Summit, and what the future may look like with incoming leadership changes. 

Dr Gaurav Saini is the co-founder of the Council for Strategic and Defence Research, a New Delhi think tank focused on foreign policy and security issues. He is part of the US State Department's Emerging Quad Think Tank Leaders program. 

Kate Clayton is a Senior Coordinator for Research and Programs at La Trobe Asia and the Blue Security Maritime Exchange.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Show notes:  

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• Joint statement from the leaders of Australia, India, Japan, and the United States 
• Gaurav Saini’s article in the Lowy Institute Interpreter – with NSC's Dirk van der Kley.  

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How can public policy better reflect the humanity and vulnerability of citizens? 

How can government leaders remain mindful of individuals within broader systems, and how does this approach improve public policy outcomes? 

How can governments foster ethical leadership and accountability while balancing political pressures and systemic challenges? 

In this episode, Mark Crosweller and Margaret Moreton join David Andrews to discuss compassion, ethical leadership, resilience, and the tensions between individuals and institutions in the national security space.  

Dr Mark Crosweller AFSM is a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC) and Director of Ethical Intelligence Pty Ltd.  

Dr Margaret Moreton is Executive Director at the Australian Institute for Disaster Resilience.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.  

Show notes:  

•  ANU academic programs – find out more  
• Mark’s book -  Compassion in Disaster Management: The Essential Ethic of Relational Leadership 
• IPCC – The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change   

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What is the central logic of AUKUS from a UK perspective?

How does AUKUS contribute to European security?

How does AUKUS fit into UK defence interests and strategies in the Indo-Pacific?

In this episode, Damian Parmenter joins Rory Medcalf to discuss the UK perspective on AUKUS: the strategic environment, Pillar One operational specifics, diplomatic engagement and legislation, and progress on Pillar Two.

Damian Parmenter CBE is Director General AUKUS at the UK Ministry of Defence.  

Professor Rory Medcalf is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.  

Show notes  

• The undergoing UK Strategic Defence Review  
• Australian National Defence Strategy  
• British SSN involved in search for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 
• US International Traffic of Arms Regulation  
• Recent AUKUS agreement tabled in Australian parliament   

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Considering new contributions to the Pacific Resilience Fund, is the global community doing enough to support Pacific Island countries?  

How has the Falepili Union between Australia and Tuvalu been received more broadly across the region?  Will it be replicated?  

How does the Pacific Policing Initiative fit within the Pacific approach to collective security? 

How can the Pacific balance the pros and cons of the PALM scheme?  

In this episode, Maima Koro, Henritta McNeil and Joel Nilon join Bianca Birdsall to reflect on the 2024 Pacific Islands Forum, including the Pacific Resilience Fund, Pacific Policing Initiative, and the role of dialogue partners.  

Maualaivao Maima Koro is the Pacific Research Fellow and academic co-lead of the Regional Perspectives collaboration between Adelaide University and the Defence Science and Technology Group. 

Dr Henrietta McNeill is a Research Fellow on Pacific security, geopolitics and regionalism at the ANU Department of Pacific Affairs. 

Joel Nilon is a Pacific Fellow at the ANU Pacific Security College.  

Show notes:  

• ANU academic programs – find out more  
• Pacific Policing Initiative 
• Power and Influence in the Pacific Islands – co-authored by Henrietta McNeill 

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What is sports diplomacy and why is it important to Australia’s foreign policy? 

What is the rationale behind the PNG-Australia rugby league deal?  

How are sporting events being weaponised to undermine social cohesion or reflect geopolitical tensions?  

In this episode, Bianca Birdsall and Stuart Murray join David Andrews to discuss the role of sport as it relates to Australia’s national security – in diplomacy, foreign policy, and as a vector for insecurity, violence, crime, and societal unrest.  

Bianca Birdsall is a Senior Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC), on secondment from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.  

Dr Stuart Murray is an Associate Professor in International Relations and Diplomacy at Bond University.   

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.  

Show notes  

• ADF-run sports program in Fiji 
• First Nations netball team   
• First Nations netball Coaching Course  
• PNG NRL team $600m deal 

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What makes the space domain critical to Australia’s defence and security? 

What is our constellation of defence partners in space? What assets does Australia bring to these relationships?  

What are the challenges and opportunities in the space domain?  

Is Australia contributing to what some critics call the “militarisation of space”?  

In this episode, Greg Novak joins Rory Medcalf to discuss the importance of space to Australia’s national interest, collaboration with industry and the civilian space sector and collaboration with like-minded partners in the space domain.  

Major General Greg Novak is Defence Space Commander in the Australian Space Command.  

Professor Rory Medcalf is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.  

Show notes  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Defence Strategic Review  
• National Defence Strategy  
• Defence Space Strategy  

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What can we expect from Indian foreign and security policy under a third Modi government?

How does the India-Russia relationship impact India’s foreign policy and cooperation with Western partners?

How can India manage its strategic ambitions amidst region instability – including its deteriorating relationship with China?

How do Australia and other Western powers balance their interests in strategic cooperation with India alongside challenges to political trust that have emerged recently? 

In this episode, Ian Hall and Darshana Baruah join Rory Medcalf to discuss India’s evolving place in the world, from its immediate neighbourhood to bilateral relationships with global powers. 

Professor Ian Hall is a Professor of International Relations at Griffith University. He is also an Academic Fellow of the Australia India Institute.

Darshana Baruah is Director of Security and Geopolitics at the Australia India Institute and an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College.

Professor Rory Medcalf is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think thanks, journalism and academia.   

Show notes  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Darshana Baruah's book: The Contest for the Indian Ocean
• Ian Hall’s books: The Engagement of India: Strategies and Responses and Assessing Australia’s Strategic Personalities  

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