Author Jayme Brock joins me to talk about her new book Recipe of Jesus - which examines Jesus' life as it is presented in the Urantia Book, against the backdrop of something called. "The Laws of Natural Order."

According to this philosophy, Jayme explains, "When we deviate from the laws that govern the natural order of things, systems break down, and we cannot evade the consequences of our actions."

It's a fascinating and uplifting discussion of why things sometimes go wrong, and how Jesus tried to show us this very truth in his life and his teachings.