The New Stack Podcast

Julia Liuson joined Microsoft 25 years ago working as a developer on Microsoft Access.  Continuing her work in the Visual Studio space, Liuson now is the corporate manager of developer tools and services. Changes started to come five year ago when Satya Nadella became CEO and quickly acted to start changing the company culture and embrace cloud services.

"Back then, as a developer, you simply weren’t allowed to look at open source software without an approval from VP," Liuson said about Microsoft. "That was just four years ago. Can you imagine?”

Three years ago came the real push to open source and what Liuson describes as an obsession with customer satisfaction, backed by engineering deliverables, cultural shift and delivery.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/DPVCdLTwYpQ

Julia Liuson joined Microsoft 25 years ago working as a developer on Microsoft Access.  Continuing her work in the Visual Studio space, Liuson now is the corporate manager of developer tools and services. Changes started to come five year ago when Satya Nadella became CEO and quickly acted to start changing the company culture and embrace cloud services.

"Back then, as a developer, you simply weren’t allowed to look at open source software without an approval from VP," Liuson said about Microsoft. "That was just four years ago. Can you imagine?”

Three years ago came the real push to open source and what Liuson describes as an obsession with customer satisfaction, backed by engineering deliverables, cultural shift and delivery.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/DPVCdLTwYpQ

Julia Liuson joined Microsoft 25 years ago working as a developer on Microsoft Access.  Continuing her work in the Visual Studio space, Liuson now is the corporate manager of developer tools and services. Changes started to come five year ago when Satya Nadella became CEO and quickly acted to start changing the company culture and embrace cloud services.

"Back then, as a developer, you simply weren’t allowed to look at open source software without an approval from VP," Liuson said about Microsoft. "That was just four years ago. Can you imagine?”

Three years ago came the real push to open source and what Liuson describes as an obsession with customer satisfaction, backed by engineering deliverables, cultural shift and delivery.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/DPVCdLTwYpQ

Julia Liuson joined Microsoft 25 years ago working as a developer on Microsoft Access.  Continuing her work in the Visual Studio space, Liuson now is the corporate manager of developer tools and services. Changes started to come five year ago when Satya Nadella became CEO and quickly acted to start changing the company culture and embrace cloud services.

"Back then, as a developer, you simply weren’t allowed to look at open source software without an approval from VP," Liuson said about Microsoft. "That was just four years ago. Can you imagine?”

Three years ago came the real push to open source and what Liuson describes as an obsession with customer satisfaction, backed by engineering deliverables, cultural shift and delivery.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/DPVCdLTwYpQ

A long running narrative about complexity has served as a story line for many years in the communities that made distributed systems possible. For example, Microsoft recently announced that Azure App Service now runs on Linux. The underlying infrastructure depends on Docker to run containers that are either built in with specific stack versions, or developers’ own custom containers. Microsoft is participating in open source communities and using technologies to abstract complexities for developers building web applications.

"It allows to deploy, run and scale web apps quickly without thinking about the infrastructure," said Ahmed Elnably, Program Manager II at Microsoft, in an interview at Open Source Summit.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/BWYEO5UpU4s

A long running narrative about complexity has served as a story line for many years in the communities that made distributed systems possible. For example, Microsoft recently announced that Azure App Service now runs on Linux. The underlying infrastructure depends on Docker to run containers that are either built in with specific stack versions, or developers’ own custom containers. Microsoft is participating in open source communities and using technologies to abstract complexities for developers building web applications.

"It allows to deploy, run and scale web apps quickly without thinking about the infrastructure," said Ahmed Elnably, Program Manager II at Microsoft, in an interview at Open Source Summit.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/BWYEO5UpU4s

A long running narrative about complexity has served as a story line for many years in the communities that made distributed systems possible. For example, Microsoft recently announced that Azure App Service now runs on Linux. The underlying infrastructure depends on Docker to run containers that are either built in with specific stack versions, or developers’ own custom containers. Microsoft is participating in open source communities and using technologies to abstract complexities for developers building web applications.

"It allows to deploy, run and scale web apps quickly without thinking about the infrastructure," said Ahmed Elnably, Program Manager II at Microsoft, in an interview at Open Source Summit.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/BWYEO5UpU4s

A long running narrative about complexity has served as a story line for many years in the communities that made distributed systems possible. For example, Microsoft recently announced that Azure App Service now runs on Linux. The underlying infrastructure depends on Docker to run containers that are either built in with specific stack versions, or developers’ own custom containers. Microsoft is participating in open source communities and using technologies to abstract complexities for developers building web applications.

"It allows to deploy, run and scale web apps quickly without thinking about the infrastructure," said Ahmed Elnably, Program Manager II at Microsoft, in an interview at Open Source Summit.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/BWYEO5UpU4s

The nature of software is by default deeply nested, making bug hunting always a work of forensics. In distributed systems, there may be only a few lines of code but there can be a long trail of dependencies that makes bugs also difficult to detect. It's a chain of dependencies with bugs that might be anywhere.

It's a problem that is emerging as the container ecosystem and distributed systems get more sophisticated and applied on a larger scale. We discussed this often at Software Circus, thinking about priorities as enterprise customers consider how to use containers and orchestrators in production.

To the surface comes a lot of issues not previously needed to address. It speaks to the need for specifications and standards so these loosely coupled systems can work together.

"There may be tens of services involved -- the bug could be anywhere," said Gareth Rushgrove of Puppet who talked to us at Software Circus.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/MHnz7CdWOX4

The nature of software is by default deeply nested, making bug hunting always a work of forensics. In distributed systems, there may be only a few lines of code but there can be a long trail of dependencies that makes bugs also difficult to detect. It's a chain of dependencies with bugs that might be anywhere.

It's a problem that is emerging as the container ecosystem and distributed systems get more sophisticated and applied on a larger scale. We discussed this often at Software Circus, thinking about priorities as enterprise customers consider how to use containers and orchestrators in production.

To the surface comes a lot of issues not previously needed to address. It speaks to the need for specifications and standards so these loosely coupled systems can work together.

"There may be tens of services involved -- the bug could be anywhere," said Gareth Rushgrove of Puppet who talked to us at Software Circus.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/MHnz7CdWOX4