In this episode, Pete Flint and guest Andy Johns discuss the interplay between innovation and optimization in startups, setting multiyear goals, and unique growth strategies for network effect businesses. They also critique product development focus in tech companies, analyze startup organizational charts, and explore future growth trends.

(0:00) Introduction to guest Andy Johns

(4:33) The balance between innovation and optimization in startups

(8:32) Setting multiyear goals and strategizing to achieve them

(12:19) Network effect businesses and their unique growth strategies

(16:17) Critique of product development focus in consumer tech companies

(19:38) Analyzing pitfalls in startup organizational charts

(23:37) Implementing customer-focused organizational charts

(25:11) Future of growth and trends in growth hacking

(28:12) Importance of not squeezing out growth operators and practitioners

(30:14) Wrapping up the conversation and final thoughts