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In this episode, Teryn Darling sits down with industry veteran Robin Hays Velez, a PMU artist with over 32 years of experience, to talk about what it really takes to last in permanent makeup. From pigments and needle choices to burnout, ethics, and regulators… nothing is off the table.

If you’ve ever wondered what’s true, what’s hype, and what actually matters for long-term success in PMU, this one’s for you.

What You’ll Learn

• Pigment science: The real differences between iron oxide and organic/carbon pigments and when to use which.
• Eyeliner tattooing: Why Robin sometimes refuses carbon and how she works safely on mature or crepey lids.
• Needle mastery: Liners vs shaders, diameters, tapers and why one needle can’t do it all.
• Saturation levels: How to achieve low, medium, or high saturation results without over-traumatizing the skin.
• Industry ethics & longevity: Setting boundaries, avoiding burnout, and staying educated through the noise of social media.

🎓 Girlz Ink Online Academy:

• The Needle & The Prick
• Beyond the Epidermis: Color Theory
• Machine & Movements
• Li-FT® Saline Removal

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❤️ About Tatter-a-Fact®

Host: Teryn Darling — PMU artist, educator, and founder of Girlz Ink
Guest: Robin Hays Velez — 32 years in PMU, advocate for education, ethics & client care

The Tatter-a-Fact® PMU Podcast brings you real talk, proven techniques, and non-biased education for permanent makeup artists at every level.

🎧 Listen now on Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts | Amazon Music
and follow @GirlzInkStudio + @TatterAFactPodcast + @TatGirlzInk for more PMU education, inspiration & truth.

🎸 Composition and guitars - Russ Letizia
🥁 Drums and studio engineering - Mike Zerbe
🎼 Recorded at The Compound in Las Vegas, NV